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In 1999, Renny Harlin made a shark movie on the same soundstages as Titanic, cast Samuel L. Jackson and LL Cool J, and then blew the whole set up when he was done. The result is a movie that has absolutely no business being this entertaining — and yet. Greg and Joe travel back to a perfect year for movies to cover Deep Blue Sea, officially renamed Super Smart Sharks approximately four minutes into this episode.
This week: the greatest surprise death in monster movie history, an animatronic shark that once launched itself through a ceiling, a director’s commentary where Samuel L. Jackson openly admits he spent most of the shoot on a golf course, and a USA Today review that uses the phrase “cheese barge.” Also featuring a very important voice memo from David Hallgren, who has somehow already seen this movie twice in 2026.
As with every episode, this is the conversation that needed to happen about this movie. Also: Drinking Games, Joe’s Back of the Box (buckle up), Very Important Questions, and a definitive ranking of the greatest shark movies ever made — which gets more contentious than you’d expect.
Note: This transcript has been auto-generated, so… You know… It’s not our fault.
Greg: Joe and the movie we watched this week, our characters cut a few corners in unleash nightmare sharks. Have you ever taken a shortcut that immediately punished you?
Joe: Often I will when I’m driving because I famously believe that I know especially around Seattle any shortcut that can get us there two to three minutes faster. Yeah, and usually I feel like I’m right, but there are times when I’m spectacularly wrong. So I will try something that either I haven’t tried before that usually works and then there’s you know it can back up and then I end up having a double back and so it has happened many times where I end up back stuck in worse traffic than I was before and then usually three times angry than I was before I even tried this. So what about you any any spectacular failures that you have when you cut corners?
Greg: Well speaking of driving whenever I’m driving my kids to school I always pick the wrong way to turn on this one road. Specifically there’s this left turn lane that is either amazing or 15 minutes like who invented this left turn lane and don’t they know it’s time to get school? But I think the shortcut that I take the most has to do with tape and it’s you know fixing something around my house. Yeah, I really think tape is going to pretty much fix everything. And you know what like half the time I’m totally right and that tape can be there for 10 years and we’re good. The rest of the time in the middle of the night we hear something like fall off the wall. That tape was not the right shortcut. And things falling off the wall in the middle of the night is one of the more terrifying
Joe: sounds you can possibly hear like being woken up in that is just I’ve had that half him before and then I’m convinced that there’s someone in the house like seconds from stabbing me in our bed.
Greg: Yep. Oh this is weird. A parrot just came in here. Let’s see what this parrot has to say. Oh, I was rude. Oh my gosh, that front burrows. What are you doing here? You wait your whole life for single men. Oh, I know, I know, I need to be. And nine one days tomorrow. Oh, I guess you’re talking about something else. All right, well, all right, Joel, let’s get to the show. Let’s do it.
Clip: Tell me Mr. Franklin, if you haven’t known anyone without time is. No. Give me to a Monday morning, 48 hours. I’ll give you a result for the skyrocket you’ll stop pricing. In the most advanced research facility in the world, a team of specialists is working against the clock. But before they can save millions of lives. Tell me I didn’t see that. They recognized that good. Some possible sharks denots wind backwards they can’t. They’ll have to find their way to save their own. Just what the hell did you do to those sharks? Jim and I used Jean Therapist to increase their brain mass. What is that? As a side effect, the sharks got smarter. The year is 1999 and Renny Harland signs up to make a follow up horror movie to one of his earlier movies. One of his first big Hollywood movies, which was a nightmare in Elm Street, but the fourth one. He decides it’s time to make a movie called Deep Blue Sea. Is that what we’re calling it? Are we calling it super smart sharks, Joe? We’ve got to call it super smart sharks. Everybody knows what that means if you call it. This episode is officially called Super smart sharks then. They made a movie called Super smart sharks. We are talking about Thomas Jane. Safron Burrows Samuel L. Jackson. Jacqueline McKenzie. Michael Rapaport. Still in scar scarred. LL Cooljay. Did you hear the ladies love cooljams? I don’t know if you knew that. I didn’t hear that. And I didn’t get a title. My girlfriend friend is in this movie. Oh, and Frank Walker was the sound of the parent. Many times we are getting to super smart sharks. We’ve decided. Joe Sky Tucker. What make super smart sharks? There is something about R acne Harland and be movie horror that is just a match made in heaven for me.
Joe: This was a very fun nostalgic ride to go back to this movie. I had forgotten most of what has happened in this movie. So, I mean, it’s easily been 25 years, if not, you know, right when it came out. I probably didn’t see it in the theater, but I saw it. I know I saw it at least once or twice on home video. It’s fun. It’s a classic monster movie. Yep, all the tropes are there, you know, shades of Jurassic Park with the, you know, the storm coming in and the skeleton crew and the interesting. Instead of the billionaire flying them to the park, the billionaire flies to the underground scientific lab. You have all these, you know, all the setup is there. You have the opening scene with the rip off of the jaws theme and the, you have a Reni Harlin cliff hanger like Easter egg in the opening scene where you have a bear that is falling under water like Sarah’s bear from cliff hanger. So, that was all I needed to be a hundred percent in on this movie. Why was the bear there? I have no idea. Yeah. So, that said, the CGI in this film is laughably bad. Yep. It is painful to watch at moments when they cut to clearly CGI sharks in the water. I don’t even think it would have passed mustard back in 1999 for where a CGI was then. Yeah. It’s like they spent their entire budget on excessive explosions and then realized they needed to have some under water sharks shots and kind of disgraced from there. But I’ve tossed it to you, Greg’s wine heart. Why is Super Smart
Greg: Charks a great movie? Not even a great bad movie. Just a stone-cold classic classic Carlin. He cannot escape the B movie feeling of his films. That aren’t, I don’t know. Would you describe cliff
Joe: hanger as a B movie? Yeah. It wants to be an A movie, but it just I can’t. It can’t escape the Harlinsism. And I feel like even die hard to die harder. Thank you for the full title. Yeah, welcome. Still falls into some of his B movie tendencies at the end. Yeah. So, I mean, yeah,
Greg: it’s all there. And that is what got me to this movie opening weekend when it came out. B movies with a budget is basically what it is. Yeah. But there is something to his films that make them just way better than you think they’re going to be. But you said you hadn’t remembered anything about this movie. I watched this movie like two nights ago. I probably can’t tell you what happens in it right now. Yeah. It is such a enjoy while you’re watching it and forget it the second it’s done kind of movie. Yeah, exactly. Which in this case kind of rewards repeated viewings because it’s every time I’ve watched this movie, which is probably somewhere between 10 and 20. If you count like the times I’ve watched it with the commentary tracks on, there are times where I just think, oh, this is better than I remembered it. It rewards to a certain extent repeated viewings. Not entirely. I mean, this is one of the worst movies we’ve
Joe: watched on this show. Is that possible? Yeah. And it’s still maybe one of my favorites. And
Greg: some ways is too great. Yeah. Yeah. We have to watch movies at a great. Obviously. It’s in the time. Yeah. But as I was watching this one, I was like, wow, this is we’ve gotten pretty used to watching pretty amazing movies. And so it was actually, I feel like we’ve got the perfect balance going on on great bad movies right now because occasionally it’s time for a movie like super smart sharks. And I was so excited that I was watching it. I watched it twice this week because I just enjoyed it so much. But I also was able to track down the director’s commentary, which also has Samuel Jackson on it. I want to play some of that in this episode. I cannot wait. Anyways, we’ll get to that. Randy Harland is incredible. They filmed this on the same sound stages Titanic. And so it’s in Baja California. And it’s in basically open water. But it has sound stages that will actually go down into the water and then you can lift them back up if you need to because they filmed Titanic there. And so the way that they got water rushing in throughout the movies is because they’re actually pulling the set underwater at that moment. And water’s ocean water is actually rushing in. And then they would reset and do it again. There was like real honest to goodness, amazing filmmaking going on. Like real talent as always that we’re seeing on display in this movie. Maybe sometimes not in the performances. Maybe sometimes not in the writing. But the production of this thing. And then classic Randy Harland once they were done filming, they blew the whole thing up. For real. And so all of the explosions of things happening in this movie, that’s it actually blowing up
Joe: after they were done filming on it. It shows and it felt exact like how big could this get. It was basically like like yeah wow that was a really big explosion. And there are a few in this very like oh they don’t and they don’t do this. And to me and I feel like you’re like this too like you don’t get that much anymore. We don’t get real explosions and movies anymore. So like when there’s actual real explosion, something just like kind of awe inspiring about it. And so yeah there’s a scene of the helicopter blows up and it just keeps blowing up. And blowing up and
Greg: blowing up and it’s awesome. Yeah remember we we talked about how cliffhanger starts with a bang with an amazing first scene and then kind of it can’t live up to it the rest of the time. And then in hit was it is next movie that was the long kiss good night and it ends with the largest explosion in history. And we felt like that was the right direction. Yeah this movie I guess the explosions are kind of all all through it’s more like midway through. He’s really mixing it up. Yeah
Joe: with the you just can’t you can’t pin this harlin down. No, but he’s gonna blow it up. Like and it’s gonna be awesome. So that’s what we know. So we are covering this movie this week
Greg: because we noticed that a brand new renearlin movie was coming out the Friday after this episode drops called Deep Water which starts as basically plain but it goes down in the water. Captain Aaron Eckhart is flying the plane with Serben Kingsley. Obviously. And so it’s like a disaster film where a plane crashes which we’ve seen renearlin do some pretty amazing plane crashes in the past cliffhanger. The whole plane crash is amazing and then it suddenly is on a soundstage and it is not amazing anymore. But during the crash it is incredible. So we know that we can trust him with that. But then sharks are there and it becomes a shark movie. In 2026, Rene Harlin is dipping his toes back in the water as it were. And so we thought for better or worse we probably should get to super smart sharks. But it has occurred to me that have you ever noticed that when Aaron Eckhart comes out with like a B movie, no one knows that it has come out until it hits like streaming or VOD. Also the same with Randy Harlin when he releases movies these days. So there’s a chance that we are the only people that know that this movie is coming out. But it seemed like the right week for us to go back to 99 and watch Deep Water. What do you mean? I mean we are probably
Joe: president and vice president of the Rene Harlin fan club here. So yes. And I feel like Thomas James character could have been played by Aaron Eckhart or vice versa. Yep. And maybe that this is Thomas James character now 25 years later has become a pilot after the disaster because he lives through it. So it could be that they’re connected again. So the Thomas Janeiverse. Yeah.
Greg: It’s incredibly. Yeah. I bet Randy Harlin is one of the most fun people to be around while you’re making a movie for some reason. I feel like that’s the case. He’s got these moments where in his
Joe: movies there are things that are like if he just was more consistent. So you have these amazing tight shots and the action scenes that they’re trying to move from as you say, you know, they’re moving real water coming in and they’re rushing it up and they’re trying to get out of the the structure that is collapsing and they cut to again the world’s worst CGI. And it just pulls you directly out of what’s happening and the same thing that happens with in cliffhanger where you have the great playing crash and then it’s so clear that you’re on a sound stage. Yeah. All of a sudden it is time for a hedgehog in the die. Yeah. And so there’s these moments where 80% is perfect. And if you had 100% of how he had done that 80% it would be one of the greatest movie action movies you’ve ever seen and then he does these things that are just like these shortcuts. Like he’s kind of like those shortcuts that we talked about in the opening clip and it just I can just pulls you right out of
Greg: the movie and you’re like, oh yeah, okay. I got it. The commentary is so funny because both Samuel Jackson and Renie Harlan keep talking about what they were able to do with computer graphics. You know like in the die hard to commentary we played on our die hard to episode he kind of makes one of how there’s a fan on the background of all scenes because you aren’t an action movie unless you do that. Same with this one where he says if you really look in the background right there you can see where the tank ends that we’re in and that’s like a fake horizon right there and he’s like, you know notice it while you’re watching it but if you look at it right there you can totally see what they were just in a tank. I’d love that about Renie Harlan that he’s just poking holes in what he’s doing. Yeah but he seemed overly excited about the computer graphics something I couldn’t
Joe: care less about. Yeah and to me as you know 1999 I mean we have the matrix which comes out which one has some of the better best graphics you’ll ever see. Mm-hmm. It’s a 2001-2002 comes out. We have the Lord of the Rings starts amazing CGI. Pretty good. There’s some pretty bad stuff in there too. There are moments within it but I think for that time we hadn’t seen it but this to me it just the sharks in the water were so bad to me. I just could not every time it’s laughable and where it’s best is when it you know there’s water everywhere and it’s cloistered and they’re trying to escape from one room to the next or climo ladder as the water is coming up after them like those scenes are so good it’s so fun. You’re under water looking at a cartoon shark is what it felt like.
Greg: So it’s just so rough being that it’s a shark movie. Everyone’s concerned about this was that it was going to be compared to jaws. Yeah and the thing that they had going for them was twofold. One then computer graphics and so they could be moving faster through the water and they wouldn’t have the limitations that they had in jaws but also you know this is 24 years after jaws and they had really figured out how to make better animatronics that could be in the water. So they hired the guy that did free willy. So that dude made the three sharks and they were like not joking 8,000 pounds. They were run by computers and so somebody close by was controlling it with a computer and they had a thousand horsepower engines and they ran on jet fuel. That’s crazy. Yeah so at the end when LL cool J is being dragged around in the mouth of a shark he was actually strapped into that mouth and then people on computers were controlling it and it occasionally would dive under water longer than they wanted it to and he had to like hold his breath. So he’s actually you know like attached to an animatronic shark that’s swimming underwater that’s incredible that they did that. Yeah and this movie would be so much better if they just relied on those I think yeah I agree they don’t tie together the animatronic and the CGI as well as Jurassic Park which is just hysterical. Yeah because Jurassic Park was the first in six years before this. It is it’s a jarring moment when you kind of switch
Joe: back and forth because again I mean there are moments where I think they’re real sharks but then they yeah they do they move at a speed that if they move that fast all the time all the people would be dead when they’re human. Yeah yeah that’s a movie over basically. So with the animatronics one of
Greg: the first days they were filming might have been the first day they were filming near one of the animatronics and it freaked out and launched itself up through the roof through the ceiling of where they were and because it was 8,000 pounds it went through two by fours. Randy Harlan said like toothpicks oh my god luckily nobody got hurt and known was around but that was what these things were
Joe: capable of doing. I also really appreciate and I’m I’m curious what you where you found out about Samuel Jackson because he this is for him he’s pretty much at one of the pinnacles of his career at this point. Yeah and he’s kind of just plays the straight man in this he’s not like what we’re used to seeing of Samuel Jackson kind of a bigger than life character. Yeah you know yeah kind of almost playing a caricature now of what he is or his kind of you know the characters he plays you know and everyone it’s kind of just playing the roles of the monster movie you know so he’s the billionaire investor coming to check things out. Yep his and spoiler alert if you haven’t seen this movie. Well stop now. We should probably say a spoiler alert for this movie but there are two things that I remember specifically about this movie one is when Samuel Jackson’s character gets killed yes it’s shocking because you expect him to live through it because you kind of think he’s the star and it’s perfect as it was a perfect surprise. Yeah and then the other thing that I remember is L. O. Kool J’s character lives through it and he’s like maybe the first black man to live through a monster movie ever and he’s basically we should have a conversation about L. O. Kool J because his character is basically in a whole other movie for most of the movie. Yep so like those are the two things that I remember the surprise killing of Samuel Jackson by the sharks and L. Kool J surviving the entire movie. Yeah and the rest of it I had no I couldn’t remember anything but
Greg: well so here’s the backstory of Samuel Jackson first of all Samuel Jackson and Rene Harland loved working together on Melon Kiske night so much so that Samuel Jackson just said Rene I want to be in all your movies so make sure there’s a part for me in all your movies and they’ve worked together I think four or five times now so Rene Harland is looking for a horror movie script he gets deep blue sea he sends it to Samuel Jackson and Jackson’s people were not into it like his agent they didn’t like it for him and so he said I think we have a problem like nobody that I work with wants me to do this or thinks that I should do it they just say the part isn’t right for me and the part in the script was the chef part was L. Kool J’s part there was no billionaire so Rene Harland decides okay we need to iterate on the script with the amazing script doctor Achiva Goldman and he looks back to the movie alien as a reference and an inspiration for what he could do with deep blue sea the inspiration was let’s kill off the most famous person in this movie early on so they wrote a part that they thought Sam Jackson would want to play the richest man on the planet completely invented that character just so they could kill him 45 minutes in the way that Tom Scarrett who was the biggest star in alien died like halfway through and it was the biggest surprise that the biggest star in the movie died halfway through and it really left audiences feeling like what do we do now who’s safe if the biggest star is died yeah which is just a genius move that’s how that all came about and so he sent the script to Sam Jackson and Sam Jackson wrote back oh my gosh best movie death ever I’m in awesome let’s hear that scene when he passes away this was actually like a seven-page monologue and when Sam Jackson read it he said oh my gosh just
Clip: kill me already and so they cut it way down now we took an open that I’m breaking now so all that we say it was the snow kill the other two but it wasn’t nature can be lethal but it doesn’t hold a candle to man now you’ve seen how bad things can get and how quick they can get that way well they can get a whole lot worse so we’re not going to fight anymore we’re going to pull together and we’re going to find a way to get out of here first we’re going to see you all this
Greg: right when he gets to the plan yeah that’s so good it is so good and it is also just the worst special effects in history especially as he’s getting pulled down it looks like five dollars was spent to make this special effect it is so horrible yeah they couldn’t have used one of the
Joe: animatronic sharks or anything or I don’t know it yeah it’s so bad that’s the sign of our movies to me it’s like it still holds up you can make happens clearing problem I don’t want to undersell how awful they are and I still love this movie it’s like if you
Greg: said you want to watch this movie right over time I’ll be like yep yep let’s go it’s been three days I’m due yeah this movie does a great job with sound it also sometimes does a hilarious job with sound everything makes a noise in this movie we’ve made a lot of jokes about like loud fabrics like in face off one of my favorite things in cinema history is loud lights we have both loud lights and when sharks eat a camera the monitor that’s showing what’s on that camera makes a good noise when it goes down I just need to play this sound for you real quick they recognize that good it’s impossible sharks do not swim back with their cans try to stay focused people look there there goes a monitor there goes another one we lost picture in gen 2 cinematic blue one top of ok hold on oh that’s the third monitor there’s the lights underwaters under water it makes that noise just incredible I need to add a trope about sound effects
Joe: on things that have no actual sound we’ve talked about it for like when they’re hacking and there would be like typing and they’re kind of like you hear the keyboard yeah and you see the word and so if you do that something like lights are lights go off and you hear the sound of the light going off which does not actually happen in the real world so oh my gosh so good this is what a
Greg: shark sounds like when it opens its mouth and is about to eat someone underwater right here that’s a shark underwater making that noise I need to ask again it sounds exactly like the mgm like tiger or lion whichever it is at the beginning of mgm movies
Joe: yeah that’s awesome so one of my favorite things about this movie we talked about with Samuel Jackson character when he’s killed and the surprise of that and that’s probably the the pinnacle of it but throughout this movie there are surprise attacks that happen which I wasn’t ready for which are awesome and so the first scene when the scientist gets and it’s still in scar’s guard gets his arm bit and off just like out of nowhere again the shark moves it’s like the sharks are laying and weight and then all of a sudden they can move at the speed of light instantly but it’s such a great just shock moment we are just not quite ready for it you’re just like they’re setting everything I’ll up you’re ready for it to happen you know what’s gonna happen the storm is coming so they’re like building the tension they’re doing their their experiment and they’re getting the results they want and then all of a sudden that happens you have to there’s a couple other ones that happen within it but I think the the arm being bitten off in Samuel Jackson’s death are really two of the best moments where you’re just shocked you’re not quite ready for it and it’s yeah I love those again in movies where you’re just kind of waiting for it but they come like half a beat earlier than you’re ready for and that to me is the mark of a filmmaker that knows where the audience where he wants the audience to be and if not kind of letting them be comfortable he also makes fun of
Greg: a moment where he said everything we’re doing in this scene is to set up the shark is about to come out of that water you know it’s going to happen and we’re about to do it yet it’s just what we
Joe: want to see in movies yeah yeah and to me I had an interesting parallel between independent stay in this movie oh interesting go on the independent stay you have the scene where they’re doing the autopsy on the alien and it’s alive and it like who’s slams the scientist up against the glass okay and then you have the scene where the shark has the after the the world’s biggest helicopter explosion has the scientist in the gurney and slams it into the glass viewing area and it starts to crack like to me I don’t know why I had that parallel thought in my head but I was like this is an homage to the independent stay thrown in randomly and maybe I’m the only one who made that connection but it was such an awesome here’s a shark swimming faster than sharks can ever swim and slamming the body and the gurney into the window to crack it it was so awesome so I still let’s go to the other side yeah it’s he’s still alive and that he is still alive when that happens yeah
Greg: yeah and he is eight times better of an actor than we needed in his heart that’s something Sam Jackson talks about in his commentaries like look it’s still in scars guard right now just and then completely just playing a character completely differently than the rest of us because he comes
Joe: from real acting yeah also a stone scars guard and who is the partner I think it’s Jacqueline Mackenzie is the other person they share the most awkward kiss oh my gosh it looked like
Greg: she was not ready for it and he made some decisions that it was just time for them to kiss it was so horrific almost like oh what’s happening there yeah it was really painful to watch yes
Joe: yeah so I don’t know if yeah if he knew or if he knew or if anyone knew or if it was just was it in the script was it not who knows it just it’s awkward and it feels kind of gross
Greg: it’s amazing let’s listen to that scene it’s where they’re making a scientific discovery and the whole plot of this movie which is much better than it should have been yeah is that they are doing tests on shark brains seeing if they can cure Alzheimer’s and saffron burrows has a pretty good thing at the beginning where she talks about how her motivation of doing this research is that her dad had Alzheimer’s and it really was just horrible so they are doing some tests on a shark they’re pulling something out of the brain of the shark well it’s stated and they’re dropping it on
Clip: something and they’re trying to see if it will do something yeah exactly introducing two ccs of the protein complex into culture in active brain neurons of an Alzheimer’s patient and what you’re looking for here is lightning in a bottle protein complex is interacting with the neurons neurons are becoming hyperloss mossy hyperloss modic is that the thing is now membrane integrities improving the thing burn the burn the burn the second two three still firing five six six point five six zero seconds how good there that was sir six point five six zero seconds you saw what is like not
Greg: to be down congratulations the fakeest acting in history from Samuel Jackson in the end there yep I don’t know what he’s doing with this character it rings a little false to me it’s just a little still to and maybe that’s him trying to act still to do something like a rich billionaire is hiding something and and has some sort of fake veneer on well let’s get into this Sam Jackson basically just brags the whole time in his commentary here is him talking about when he walks into their
Clip: laboratory for the first time and he says wow wow hey now who oh my goodness that’s a moment for you folks if you’re an actor or if you’re not an actor and you’ve never been to an audition and you see a word like wow on the page and that’s all they ask you to do do try and put as much of it into it as I put into that one particular while because that said it all about what was
Greg: happening in that room all right so there is also a scene where somebody is called is it Jacqueline is it is it the assistant you were talking about Jacqueline Mackenzie is she called Brenda calls over the loudspeaker hey we need she to go to the main deck or whatever and then there these red flares that go up in the light and we’re counting there’s like a scary moment we don’t know what’s happening and then it turns out it’s her birthday and that’s throwing her party here is Sam Jackson talking about the nights that they filmed that party out in the open
Clip: in Baha California this would have been fun except it turned out to be like two days of shooting all night in Baha just kind of interesting because it’s hot down there but there’s like a 35 almost 40 degree sometimes temperature shift from sun to sun down out there so it feels like it’s freezing at night even when it’s only about 60 degrees because it’s been so hot during the day so all these night shoots were not fun well for them you notice I found the way to keep my sweater and a jacket on so that I could make that work unlike these sleeveless sex pots out here dancing around in the
Greg: night air looking for a coat every time ready said and Rennie Harlan openly said when he called Sam Jackson with the better part Sam Jackson said is there lots of time during this shoot for me to golf and Rennie Harlan said all the time you want and he said I mean so here’s here’s a scene with Sam Jackson and I think when it was shooting this was one of those days I got to go out and
Clip: playing golf you know you see me here reacting I made him shoot all my reactions one day so okay as long as you guys have focused on the shark and all that stuff that’s going in the sharks head you think I can be off notice I’m not in some of these shots carefully framed out probably on the tenth hole by now making the turn I was definitely off playing golf when we were
Joe: doing this amazing yeah incredible that is what I miss about the commentaries because this is like early on in the commentary craze yeah a couple years in you know so you would have just these moments of radical candor that you don’t wouldn’t get today where you know I think he even talked about it the last time about Michael Bay on Michael Bay film and on Armageddon and Ben Affleck just like openly mocking how stupid Armageddon was and how much he hated it but there he is in the commentary and nobody is like it just you know so these it was kind of like the wild west these commentaries were really for the true fans and nobody really cared but was set on them now I think you know a publicist would be in the room going I don’t think you want to say that about this scene you know don’t don’t say that you did everything two days before so that you could go golf the day after that wouldn’t wouldn’t be how they would do it now what changed about the world Joe why can’t Sam be Sam anymore I think we want our stars to be like generic and watered down and you know there’s too much money to be made or lost and I think it’s just like we we want especially like the studios and there’s so much money involved I don’t even know if it’ll be Sam Jackson’s people that would care more it would be you know is it the director or the producers or the studio wouldn’t want anything to detract from the movie would be my guess on it which is silly because those moments are to me what make a great commentary it’s you know it’s yep you want to know what they were thinking you want to know there was cold and they were miserable and he figured out a way to wear a coat instead of everyone else being out there and short sleeves you know that’s awesome you know I so I I love when you actually hear what people think but you know we we want pre programmed the stars answer which is just going to be boring or generic all right Joe I think it’s time for us to get to our brand
Greg: new segment when was the last time David Holgren watched this movie are you ready for that I’m ready we have come up with the system for this I know the answer so I will give you an amount of time and you can give me the over or the under now this movie is from 1999 so I feel like it would be generous to say he’s watched it in the last year so would you like to say it has been more than a year
Joe: or under a year I mean I feel like the over is the is the the chalk bat like if you’re betting and Vegas you’d bet the over on this knowing David I’m gonna bet the under I think he’s watched it
David: within the last year all right let’s hear it funny enough I watched deep blue sea let’s see it’s April now I watched it in January of this year and I actually enjoyed it I think I watched it I watched it after watching the mag and the mag too and I thought well I’m gonna keep this going
Joe: spoiler as far as the mag too we got that is just a triple threat right there that is
Greg: the mag the mag too and then just keeping it going with deep blue sea yeah so you guessed the under of a year and it was just a couple of months ago so you win the $2 so we’re even we’re even I won last time David Hogger and just a national treasure just killing it with the greatest movie
Joe: priorities in of anybody I know how to say yeah seriously and you know when I was thinking of like when he would have watched it I had like 11 months ago was like when I would have thought he was would have done it that feels right yeah but the fact that it was three months ago
Greg: just so perfect and I wonder how many people watched the mag and the mag too and they’re like
Joe: I got to keep this going yeah going back to 99 it’s one it’s an end of one and it is David Hogger and
Greg: thank you David all right I have to we have to have the conversation that needed to happen about this movie versus the mix really quick I have not seen either have you seen the mix no I happen okay so I asked him I’m gonna need you to rank those this movie versus the mix and he said oh deep blue sea is better than both mags put together wow okay yeah he said rainy harlan absolutely brings it
Joe: okay sweet so good to know I mean I wouldn’t have guessed that yeah you know it does have the benefit of having Jason’s Day Thum so but let’s just say it I feel like the weak link in this movie is
Greg: Thomas Jane although as the movie goes I start to warm up to him a little bit but for like the first 45 minutes of this movie I just am wondering why he’s in the movie and what is the deal with his character and I am constantly trying to recast him every time he’s in a seam yeah and I have not been able to come you mentioned Aaron Eckhart that’s for real a great idea I think stay them
Joe: I agree I would take Jason say them from this time yeah he would have been you know coming off of lockstock or just about to have that come out so he’s on the rise yep you know we have snatch which comes out like a couple years so he’s riding the the gyritzy train throw in a running harlan film and I think he is a superstar much quicker so running harlan is the perfect
Greg: amuse bush when you’ve been on the gyritzy train I feel like he’s still on the gyritzy train by the yeah got less and for it that’s amazing yeah the only reason I think I know who saffron burrows is is because she was in a state of movie the bank job oh I didn’t realize that which I don’t think I’ve seen the bank job so we’ll get a bank job yeah I think the bank job might be a real movie though I want to say it’s directed by like Roger Donaldson or something okay real movie right
Joe: where do for real movie eventually I’m just so like I think people like that one yeah saffron burrows was in a lot of movies she’s one of those actors who why she wasn’t one of the biggest stars of the you know early 2000s is an open question I know she was on and having some turn on like a lawn order for a while and she’s always one of those actors that when she pops up I’m always happy to see her but it’s this to me should have been her star turn I think that
Greg: saffron burrows is classy I think that’s that’s what happened there and she’s been very picky about her roles her filmography now benefits from choosing us and not chasing what 1999 probably offered her what’s which was be the thing for a couple years and then and then disappear yeah be the love interest for everybody and that right right she’s married to a woman who was the headwriter for the Ellen to generous show for like just like 1800 episodes or something I can’t remember Alice in something is that I mean this conversation that needed to happen about saffron burrows I can’t remember her watch them but they have two kids I think saffron burrows is classy yeah that’s what happened
Joe: yeah she’s discerning and isn’t gonna just chase start um just a few chase real roles and be an actor so
Greg: all right yeah an interesting thing about her in this movie though is she’s basically Dr. Frankenstein that’s what Sam Jackson calls her every time she’s on screen interesting she created the super smart sharks right and um at the end of the movie she survived and they did a test screening and there was just an open revolt amongst the test screening crowd wondering why she didn’t die which I don’t know what to make of honestly but it was just like the trope is the person who created the monster has to die yeah and so they refilled the ending part where she kind of
Joe: offers herself up we finally get one of my favorite tropes which is the bad guy or girl who’s death signifies their redemption in order to get the worst bad guy at the sharks in this case so I’ve heard death signifies her basically realizing that she has done wrong and created the monster and must to go on which she must die so it is one of my favorite tropes that they throw in
Greg: it’s rather than TV shows a lot a lot more of this sort of into movies interesting it’s classy yeah I was very happy it’s a good way for her to go yeah it’s not just the typical horror movie
Joe: there’s actually something behind it yeah there’s a lot like as the more we get into this movie like there’s a lot more to this story than is just super smart sharks killing everything you know they do I mean they have real actors and I mean shots fired at Michael Rappaport I don’t know what he’s doing in this film as a scientist but you know I do I kind of a soft spot for him I think he’s kind of funny and just irreverent in a way but he was he was the one of these things
Greg: is not like the other to me in this movie totally he comes from New York and he’s a big hip-hop fan he has to be the documentary on a tribe called Quest yeah he was like friends with them yeah and so apparently he and L.O. Coolj had like a lot of common friends from the hip-hop world and they kind of became buddies while they were filming it and it was kind of a bit of a bromance in the movie as well they had some like real legitimate like hugs in the movie they kind of had a natural you know rapport which is kind of amazing yeah he’s definitely the comedic
Joe: break that we need in this movie yeah I wanted a little bit more of that in this movie yeah
Greg: I think we could have used more funnyness from Michael Rappaport but you know he’s like who’s the one you trust I’m trustworthy yeah there are a couple like exposition dumps in this movie a little explaining us let’s hear what people just casually talk about at birthday parties in this movie I can’t wait
Clip: sharks never get cancer or go blind or show any loss of brain activity as they age unlike some people I know and sharks and the oldest creatures on the planet from a time when the world was just flesh teeth by using a hormone when hands are we increased this females for brain to five times its normal size to harvest more proteins exactly protein that may reactivate that will will that will reactivate human brain cells are stored in the for brain of the shark I’m just amazed that we’ve come so far so fast without genetic temperate genetic engineering to brain masses in direct violation of the harvagenetics combat not to mention camera policy
Greg: what is the name of his company uh huh is this a prequel to mission impossible to it better be what if John Woo directs this move okay Joe better movie of John Woo directs it or not
Joe: I mean for just the shots of slowmo alone yes I think yeah yeah it’s more melodramatic oh 100% I want to see the the John Woo cut of this movie this what I need though yeah probably don’t get the explosions but we get like saffron boroughs death at the end is gonna be epic yeah like she’s gonna fall from like 50 feet and she’s gonna like spread her arms into the water as the shark like jumps and crabs are just doves everywhere those everywhere and like her bangs or or there’s like a bangs camera that is slowmo over her face yeah
Greg: every time a shark opens its mouth underwater does fly out
Joe: okay we need this to happen AI if you’re listening yeah Joe is it time
Greg: first of the conversation that needed to happen about shark movies absolutely let’s do it
Joe: if there could only be one it’s obviously just mm yep and they probably shouldn’t ever be another
Greg: one after that right but if we’re going to have a couple more how many more are you going to allow
Joe: and what are they obviously deeply see your super smart sharks yep a little bit of a twist hmm I would throw the shallows in there yep it’s kind of an interesting twist on this I might throw shark tail in there obviously and that really might be it for disaster you know shark NATO you we have kind of kind of veering to kind of ridiculousness where do they just see GI crazy but those that would be kind of my top three jaws super smart sharks the shallows and maybe shark tail and you could probably find another one in there that’s that’s decent maybe the mag but of you know even how grins says that this is as better than both combined of the so have that but what
Greg: what what what are your thoughts on this I thought about shark NATO a few times while I watch this movie it’s a slippery slope from deep blue sea to shark NATO mm mm so I remember watching the shallows I like that that director is going on to make some pretty awesome movies with um Liam Mason yep I remember open water but it’s really just jaws I feel like this secret is not
Joe: seeing the shark yeah and there’s something about being the first and it’s it’s so good yeah I mean I think that’s the other thing jaws is a really good monster movie yeah it’s the monster movie the way Jurassic Park is also monster movie and the way this is a monster movie yeah and someone it said that they issue like what the the rest of the Jurassic Park movies is then it’s it doesn’t follow the tropes of a monster movie anymore they become an action movie versus a monster movie and that’s what the secret for Jurassic Park was the first one yeah you know if you look at this movie super smart sharks it follows almost the same beat of what’s happening throughout of like you know the monster gets out of the monsters get out they’re trying to figure it out then they figure out that they’re tapping so they got to stop it yeah and so you know the first half of the movie is what’s happening and then the second half is them trying they figured it out and they’re trying to stop it and you know who’s gonna survive is basically what it comes down to
Greg: I think the Jurassic Park 3 was basically that maybe even more distilled been so long since I’ve seen that one but I’m so glad you brought this up first of all Sam Jackson in both movies Jurassic Park and Deepie. Yeah kind of fascinating I don’t get a Jurassic Park vibe as much from Deep Blue Sea only because I get so much more of a Jurassic World vibe
Joe: what was the last time you watched Jurassic World I got about halfway through about six months ago
Greg: oh interesting we just played uh what was the last time Joe watched a movie yeah all right so the introduction of Chris Pratt in that movie and Thomas Jane in this movie kind of similar yeah a billionaire is funding a thing and they fly out to the place where that thing is happening at the beginning both movies that place that they go to is an isolated facility there’s like some kind of system failure that happens there’s like a weekend handle it corporate mindset trying to keep things on track yeah super smart dinosaurs super smart sharks yeah hold on Jurassic World the super smart
Joe: dinosaurs I think you’re right we’re gonna need to get to Jurassic World mm-hmm I think when I watched Jurassic World my biggest frustration with it yeah was there was no suspense and who was gonna be killed and who was gonna be saved so yeah it just felt like all here the heroes and they’re gonna be safe no matter what and that’s the brilliance to me of of Steven Spielberg directing I know that he’s never gonna hurt a kid in a movie sure and yet you have that T-Rex scene and I have no idea how they’re gonna get out of it mm-hmm the actions seem to be great they’re fun to watch but there wasn’t that jello on the spoon as the raptors are in there and the kids are trying to escape like yeah yeah oh my god I cannot believe what’s happening and how scary it was to watch it in the theaters yeah and I if you pause the movie and said do you think these kids are gonna be safe oh of course they’re gonna be safe mm-hmm like there’s no way that they’re gonna be hurt but in that moment I am every time I watch it I’m just like oh my god how are they gonna be and that’s just a brilliant good filmmaking yeah that’s the last art that I think some of these movies have is that there’s a filmmaking of being able to make the stakes feel real even though if you step back and when Steven Spielberg’s not gonna hurt these kids in Jurassic Park course not
Greg: 100% yeah in Jurassic World when like that assistant gets picked up and yeah yeah that’s not really a character we were super invested in yeah that’s not the most famous person in the movie no okay well let’s finish off with hearing how these sharks got super smart let’s do it okay
Clip: just what the hell did you do those shots their brains weren’t large enough to help his sufficient amounts of the protein complex so we violated the heart of the compact Jim and I use Jean therapist to increase their brain mass larger brainlings more protein
Greg: as a side effect the sharks got smarter Joe for one dollar I have a trivia question for you okay do you think the Harvard compact is real I’m gonna just on a whim say yes it’s not
Joe: it is not totally made up I’m in the whole dollar I just gone back to even after all of this
Greg: there is something that it kind of emulates though and that is something called the isilamar conference on recombinant DNA from 1975 where a bunch of geneticists did some stuff and made some voluntary guidelines and it’s coincidental that we’re doing this movie right now because I was at a sylamar for work like three weeks ago so I should have started something called the Harvard compact there for real yeah just while I was there you should just start
Joe: dropping the Harvard compact into sentences and yeah I worked just to like see how people react to it
Greg: totally all right Joe well it occurs to me that there are probably some people who have not seen this movie before if you can even believe that that’s crazy but let’s pretend like it’s 1999 and we are walking down the hallways of blockbuster video and I don’t know are we in the are we in the DVD section are we in the VHS section in 1999 what do you think I think we’re in the DVD section
Joe: because we want we want the directors commentary we want semeljaxons commentary on this so yeah we’re gonna spend three dollars more on this just to have that sometimes they didn’t have
Greg: that stuff in the rental copy and that was infuriating that was I don’t want to say harsh words but that was poppy cock fortunately all right so we are picking up boxes we are in the new release section what’s this shark movie there can’t be a good shark movie 24 years after jaws but here we are that’s right it’s time for the back of the box
Joe: what if we could cure all timers think of the lives it would save and the suffering it would end scientists on the verge of a breakthrough using shark brains the only problem is that to get the breakthrough we need to enhance the sharks intelligence and they don’t want to be used anymore they want revenge look out because super smart sharks are coming for us all dot dot dot there’s swimming
Greg: backwards mass hysteria mass hysteria all right but Joe first of all I rented obviously yeah and thank you for getting super smart sharks yeah that was very kind yeah welcome but let’s cut to the chase here let’s take your nice hat off and it’s going down to blunt town and give us the real Joe sky Tucker honest back in the box okay I’m particularly happy with this one and I again
Joe: I could have gone on you’ll see why I could have gone on forever with this okay this is classic reny harlan it asked a question what if diehard and jaws had a baby or what if Jurassic Park and jaws had a baby and named the baby diehard or what if lake flaccid and aliens had a baby and named it cliffhanger I could literally literally write a hundred of those so I will stop before it gets out of hand the CGI is laughably bad but the rest is a perfect B movie and LLTUJ survives making him arguably the first black man to survive a monster movie ever oh and I thought of one more what if jaws 3d had a baby with diehard with vengeance and named the baby Jurassic Park the lost world while adopting under siege okay I’m done I swear Samuel Jackson and died with
Greg: vengeance yeah maybe he’s playing Zeus in this one too yeah there were so many that you even
Joe: mentioned like aliens yeah alien like there’s so many monster movies that are referenced in this totally it would just again I could have written so many what if this movie and this movie and this movie all combined to make this one so that was fun there were so many moments while I was watching
Greg: this the last time where I wondered what is this movie if Samuel Jackson isn’t the rich guy if he’s just the chef like in that exposition dump they’re they’re talking to him because he’s the new guy there yeah who were they doing this was it Brenda who were they talking to before Brenda by the way goes that pretty fast from a controlled tower yeah tough day for Brenda yeah tough day Joe should we get to the box office and reviews of this movie absolutely all right well deep blue sea came out July 30th of 1999 one of the best years in our lifetime for movies by the way just a murderers row of movies came out 1999 had a budget of 60 million dollars pretty good but also this would be $800 million now if they were doing computer graphics and stuff $60 million budget domestically it made $73 million in internationally 91 for a total of $164.064 million so it’s possible yeah and I mean this is a couple years into DVDs so home video is just exploding it’s estimated this movie made about $79 million on top of all that with home video so this is a big the successful movie yeah to big head probably the last big successful movie that ready our own ad all right Joe let’s get to what the critics said in this movie if you were to guess what do you think the rotten tomatoes critics glorious for this movie feels like a 70 so I
Joe: were doing it it really does it really does it’s true i’m gonna bet the under on the on this if the 70s are our mark all our david how grin famously came up with that so let’s go i’m gonna go with a
Greg: 58 60 all right now i’m really curious to see where this goes we have 250,000 ratings from the audience on rotten tomatoes about deeply see what do you think the popcorn meter the audience score is on
Joe: rotten tomatoes oh that’s a lot of reviews yeah yeah i’m gonna go 73 it’s 40% what yeah bonkers yeah this is probably the least rated popcorn meter audience score movie we’ve ever had yeah that’s wild
Greg: i never would have gone that low on this no no i mean there’s only so much you know wait you can put on rotten tomatoes that’s right yeah but uh interesting interesting all right let’s get to the reviews of this movie we always like to start with our hometown paper this year at a time it was reviewed by John heartle in 1999 and the review just says dumb comma laughable potentially a name for a fish
Joe: back out
Greg: part failed it okay all right CNN says if you like big summer action flicks with plenty of bite check this one out then go out for a big sushi dinner it’ll make you feel better the new yorker says scary absurd and in essential also my favorite like my never winner for the name of this show key fits over in Chicago at the AV club in 1999 said deep Lucy sort of cross between aliens without the thrills and the beside nid venture without the camp compensations doesn’t deliver the killer shark versus a list of character actors thrills you crave he’s not into it now Michael is sal we’ve read a lot of his reviews from the San Francisco Chronicle he says call it silly call it obvious there’s nothing more obvious than a shark attack but this is one of the few big fish horror films that still has the power to surprise three out of four stars yeah like that one i don’t think totally Michael Atkinson from the village voice says deeply see makes you pity the actors Wesley Morris i am shocked by this review from Wesley Morris who was writing for the San Francisco examiner at the time he says un-salvigible b-movie junk that is a shockingly battery view of this
Joe: powerful wall service probably a good name for this one
Greg: Stephen hunter from the washton post says SiteBoy Reley herlence pretty good when things happen fast not much good when character’s talks slow or at all Valer All right Stephen holding from the Huntingtime says yes in its dumb, blood-gening way. It’s fun.
Joe: Yeah, also. Could be another title for this. Let’s finish with the USA Today review.
Greg: It says, for action-starved audiences suffering through a summer drought, a flying glass and fiery explosions, this cheese barge may hit the spot.
Joe: I refuse to have cheese barge for you. That’s the title for this spot gas.
Greg: Okay, not going to lean. Bring the bell for that. Oops, I rang the bell for the cheese barge. Fair. All right, Joe, let’s get to drinking games. Let’s do it.
Joe: We’ll start with our stock drinking games again. You don’t have to be drinking alcohol. It can be water, coffee, juice, smoothie, whatever you need. Whatever is going to get you through, that’s what you should drink for this. So we’ll start with our stock drinking games. No silent helicopter. Although we do kind of have a helicopter out of nowhere. And a plane kind of out of nowhere where they fly out to the underwater laboratory. I would say that this helicopter is used with great effect. Because they’re lifting up, still in scar’s guard. There’s just had his arm bitten off and then all kinds of health breaks loose after that. It makes me think that those winches on helicopters because we’ve seen this a couple times now. And you have to quickly split and just let go of the payload. You know, because that massive explosion would have been stopped if they’d had that. Push in and enhance. I gave this one to us. It’s a little bit when they’re showing some computer graphics of the science with the sharks and the weather system coming in. Okay. Okay. So computer graphics take a drink. Yeah. Exactly. When two people share a slow motion looked at the middle of chaos. There’s a couple moments kind of early in the film. When they’re on the helicopter. We don’t have an explosion in silence. I’m offering ringing in the years even though we have two or three of the world’s biggest explosions. We’re, yep, we do not have. And I usually give this one almost verbatim, but we do not have a credit scene where the title locks in the place with the sound. It’s just on the screen and disappears. Yeah. Disappointing that Randy Harlan didn’t do. I mean, I feel like die harder is the template for this drinking game. Yeah. And we missed it. Does not flashback dialogue. Bad CGI all over this. And then we don’t have great bad shots or there’s not even really streets in this to be an extremely inexplicably wet unfortunately. Yeah. The ocean is pretty explicably wet. I guess. Yeah. Yeah. No give us the room interpol or cell phone smash. So that is our stock drinking game. So I toss it to you Greg. Why not? What is your first drinking game that you have?
Greg: They’re co-lating all of their scientific research onto computer discs in this movie. So anytime you see an old school computer disc take a drink.
Joe: I love that. I have a couple that are just mentioned one time. So I’m kind of. I have a real bad jaws theme rip off that’s in the opening scene. The falling bear. And anytime they say, Kymarah, those three things. Any one of those three. Because they only really happen once I think in this. So I kind of put them together as one drinking game. Okay.
Greg: All right. That’s good. Any time a scene has a parent take a drink.
Joe: I have that too. I have any time an explosion is bigger than it should be for what is happening on screen. Take a drink.
Greg: Including the shark blowing up at the end. Yeah. It is so massive. Any time someone awkwardly dances in this movie, which happens a few times. A lot of branded dancing. I should just, yeah, I’m going to call in you, I brand a.
Joe: Yeah, Brenda does not have rhythm in this movie. Any time Thomas James face is wet, but perfectly wet with like, like it looks like makeup put like drop like super glue dot drops on his face. Take a drink.
Greg: There are a lot of moving camera shots in this movie where it’s just rolling basically right on the ground. The camera is so low often in this movie. So anytime the camera is basically rolling on the ground, take a drink.
Joe: Awesome. I have any time there’s a surprise attack or a surprise shark kill in this movie. Okay. Okay. Would you count the parrot? Yep. You know, you would hope the parrot survives in this movie. But yes, I would put the parrot in that. And also, well, we know Michael Rapp reports character is going to die. It’s kind of happened quickly. So it could be like a really a shark moving faster than sharks can ever move in real life. Yeah.
Greg: Yeah. I don’t know why we do this in the movie, but occasionally we cut to the sharks point of view. And we have like a shark cam. Any time we see things from the shark size, take a drink.
Joe: Yeah, I had that one too. It’s jarring and unnecessary quite frankly. But you know, you get a drink when it comes on. Yep. I have quickly trying to get through a door as water is rushing in. So they’re either trying to quickly close the door or quickly open a door.
Greg: Take a drink. That’s a good one. Oh my gosh. That’s perfect. My next one is any time LL Cool J praise.
Joe: I’m a diamond. That one too. I have any time LL Cool J says Bible stuff.
Greg: I’m out.
Joe: I have one. My last one is anytime Samuel L. Jackson mentions or it’s mentioned his hiking. Yes. No storm. Yeah.
Greg: I’ve written it. That’s really good. Yeah. All right, Joe. It’s time for Joe’s trope lightning round. AKA signs. You might be watching a great bad movie.
Joe: So we’ll start with the new one that we’re adding. Talked about it before, but sound effects when there are things that don’t actually have sound. So like when lights are going off or you know when they’re hacking and movies and you hear the them typing or you see it on the screen. They could drink. Yep. We have a scene where they cut their hand. This is one of my least favorite things that happens in the movie. Like they do it like to be tough where they like cut their palm. Cut their palm of their hand with a knife or like to show that they’re bonded to somebody is like you couldn’t cut some place less inconvenient. Like that is like the worst place like cut your arm over here or something like if you need the blood oath. But don’t cut your hand. I know what shows it’s a cool. It’s cool for the camera, but in reality every time that happens, I’m just thinking like their hand is going to be sore and that’s going to be you know they’re going to use it for the rest of the movie. So stop it with that.
Greg: So, front burrows arguably is no longer going to need her hand though and she does it’s fair. That’s fair. If you are going to do that to your hand, you should say come to mama afterwards.
Joe: Yes. If that happens totally allowable. Yeah. It would be great. You get a pass. Yeah. We have busting a gas stove for an explosion to blow up the bad guys. So, hello. Is that a trope that we have?
Greg: Oh yeah. Of course.
Joe: When did that become a trope?
Greg: With the grey man. Oh my gosh. That’s amazing. It just became the biggest fan of Joe’s trope lightning runs. Awesome.
Joe: That’s incredible. We have the name of the movie being said by a character. It happened right before the final battle. I think Tom Machin says it. We have Safran Burrows death which signifies her redemption. Yep. And then a friend or colleague that dies. I mean, this is a monster movie. So lots of people die early in the film. But if we have a demo Jackson dying. Usually it’s a person of color. That’s kind of the classic 80s trope in action movies. And that’s all of our tropes because this is a monster movie. Not an action movie. Yeah. Most of them. Yeah. So, Tassatiu gregg for important questions.
Greg: Oh, so glad we are done with the lightning round. Because I cannot hold it in anymore. I need to ask you some important questions. So, wait. First question. Joe did Deep Blue Sea hold up then. 1999. I think to the critics.
Joe: It did. And to you. Yeah. I think it did. I liked it then. The holes and the glaring problems with it were the same that I have now.
Greg: Yeah. Yeah. So, what’s the question is, um,
Joe: Claire. Yeah. Does it hold up now? Probably less so now. Only because of kind of where CGI is to me now. Yeah. And what we’ve seen that I can do. But it’s hold up better than you’d expect. I would say.
Greg: I mean, what kind of it’s weird that we live in a world where we say the places where it isn’t CGI. It holds up better.
Joe: Mm-hmm. It’s interesting. Yeah.
Greg: You said probably less so. My notes say maybe less so. All right. So we’re on the same page on this one. Yeah. All right. Our next important question. How hard do they sell the good guy? Who is the good guy in this? I don’t think anyone on paper is the good guy in this movie. Yeah. But do they ever just out of the blue start talking about the bad guy?
Joe: I would say out of the blue no, but we do have the when they admit that they have broken the Harvard Accord or whatever. Yeah. It’s all the bad guy there. What they’re dealing with.
Greg: Samuel El Jackson just instantly decides he knows how big the brain is. Mm-hmm. After he’s been told that they made the shark smarter. It makes zero sense and I’m totally here for it. I loved it so much. Yeah. He just starts selling the bad guy. But I’m a little confused while he’s doing it. How do you know that? You don’t know that.
Joe: Yeah. Exactly. All right, Joe. Why is the romance in this movie? I think so we can have the world’s most awkward kiss is all like in the film.
Greg: Answer I can come up with. It doesn’t hold up. This movie should never romance in it. Or it should have more romance in it.
Joe: Yeah. I disagree with that. But I mean, pick a lane.
Greg: I’m not saying. I mean, apparently their romance is what makes Thomas Jane drop the thing that would stop the shark at the end and dive into the water to save Safron Burrows, which is just the dumbest move in movie history. Yeah. He should have shot the thing like he did in the first scene of the movie.
Joe: Yeah. And they have like Safron Burrows and Thomas Jane have like tension but nothing has ever realized. Yeah. I mean there. All right, Joe. Are we bad people for loving this movie? I mean, probably, but like of the movies that we want. This is, you know, this isn’t a, isn’t too problematic is what I would say.
Greg: Yeah. Yeah. The dead guys leg is twitching in the water.
Joe: Yeah. That one time. Yeah. We needed Nick Kade from the rock to come in and go is that normal? Yes. Yeah. Two twitches. Yeah. However, picking movies from now on. All right.
Greg: Next question. Does this movie deserve a sequel?
Joe: I think yeah. I mean, I mean, I know that there are multiple deep Lucy sequels. So deserve yes. It absolutely is like prime for as many sequels as you can make basically. Yeah. And like this is the pinnacle and the rest are just like B.C.D.E. movies that no one’s ever going to watch.
Greg: And this is already basically like a less good jaws too. Yeah. Like there’s diminishing returns. Oh, no. Something David Holgren said was he started watching too and it was so bad. He turned it off and then he read about three and read that it was worse than two. So he was like, I think I’m out on this series.
Joe: Yeah. We need Tom to jump back in because Tom is the only person I know can handle.
Greg: We. I mean, that’s probably a future segment on the show. Yeah. But a ton of legend I think of just out of the blue. And this voice memo will you thought of deeply C2. All right. If Tom mojondike is watching deeply C2 and 3. I will drop that into the episode right here. Tom mojondike our old friend runs hex induction records in Seattle in just famously powers through entire series of movies.
Joe: The worst movies ever. Somehow he has the stomach that we do not.
Greg: There’s a chance that listener you don’t know someone who’s going through a Scott Spiedman phase. But I’m telling you, just got Tucker and I do know a guy that has.
Joe: And he’s the greatest. Also Scott Spiedman totally could have played Tom with James Garrett. Oh, that’s a great point.
Greg: That’s a great point. All right.
Joe: Does this movie deserve a prequel? Famously a hate prequel but this movie sure why not. I would totally want to prequel to this. What is the prequel? That’s a really good question. It’s probably Samuel L. Jackson like killing people in the.
Greg: Yeah, yeah, the grade or it’s them trying to hear Alzheimer’s without. Making the shark super smart and just failing. But the shark probably eat those people as well. They’re just not as smart. They can only swim forwards like. Like like animals. Like idiots. Yeah, I think Sam Jackson’s backstory is probably. The one and it hilariously tries to connect it to this movie a lot. Yeah, but sharks and the Harvard Accord or whatever is called the. Yeah, I read. Yeah. All right, Joe, very important question. Should deep Lucy have been nominated for best picture at the Oscars in 2000. Now, wow, we should probably talk about some movies that came out in 1999. Because the list of movies that was nominated versus the list of movies that came out in 1999 is just.
Joe: Comically short. So we have. I is why I’m not a great movie, but the last Kubrick and our famous director. Yeah, last Kubrick. We have the bone collector any given Sunday, which is a great movie about NFL. All of her stone. All of her stone varsity blues the ninth gate.
Greg: None of these movies are where I would start with. I really, really, really list is going.
Joe: Yeah, eight millimeter. I’m going with the movie that I’ve seen. Astronauts wife. Okay, we have office space, which is a great movie. Go. Win of this, the social club comes out this year. Classic inventors. Yeah, let me see what else is the green mile girl interrupted. Mm-hmm. Jimmy mingled. Because I thought the matrix was 1999. Matrix is 99. Wild wild west. What got? Now I’m just trying to find the movies that I watched that terrible. But I would never watch again. But what was nominated while I’m looking through this? Okay, hold on.
Greg: There’s a second gazillion movies. You did not mention. And I love that. But I have to mention being John Malchabitch. Did you say that? Okay. I did see that. That’s a great great movie.
Joe: Magnolia. Not seen that, but it’s a great one.
Greg: The insider, the talented Mr. Ripley. Boys don’t cry. Election. Ten things I hate about you. Both of those are great movies. Toy Story 2, the Iron Giant, the Blair Witch Projects. Three Kings. Oh, we’ll get to three Kings. Are you kidding me?
Joe: Uh-huh. The mummy comes out. That’s a great movie. Classic. Another Mickey and new one.
Greg: I did see that. Yeah. Okay. All right. The movies that were nominated. It was only five back then. So here’s the list. The cider house rules. Okay. The insider. Okay. The green mile. American beauty, which won best picture. And the sixth sense.
Joe: I would actually swap this out for American beauty. Because I think American beauty does not hold up at all. One with just Kevin Spacey and where he is in the zeitgeist these days. And just the themes of that movie. I think that that’s a pretty big embarrassment for the Academy Award. Quite frankly.
Greg: Yep. Great. Great director. Sam Mendes. That was a basically an unofficial prequel to Skyfall. But. Yeah. All right. I still look at this list. I mean, I love the sixth sense is on here. I’m not chumlins. You know, first big movie. I guess is I think it’s like his second movie. Yeah. I don’t think the green mile belongs here. I don’t know there. I guess the cider house rules was a big deal that year. But I think the insider is one of the best movies that’s ever been made. Mm-hmm. So I think we add deep blue sea. We drop American beauty. We take away the Oscar for American beauty. And I think we give it to the insider.
Joe: Yeah. I mean, I would throw toy story to on that. That’s my favorite story. It’s really. Yeah. It’s like an action movie. Toy story. It’s pretty fun and funny. The Matrix. Yeah. The Matrix. Fight club. I club. I mean, fight clubs. I just recently watched that within the last year. That movie holds up way better than I thought it would. Wow. What a crazy year for movies.
Greg: All right. Jo, next important question. How can this movie be fixed? A.K.A. Who should be in the remake?
Joe: Okay. So I keep the same cast. Bring them all back. Yeah. But I’m bringing in the Russo brothers to write it. Sure. I want that. Graman. Comedy. Underton. Yep. Obviously, we need better CGI. Yeah. And then I need a Hans Zimmer soundtrack. That’s how we make this movie better.
Greg: So how do you make this movie better? I think we give everyone in the movie another swing at it. Exactly what you said. Okay. Everyone here is still working. And all of them are probably much, much better at their jobs now. Yeah. So I want to see it. And I’m honestly happy with Randy Harlan coming back. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It can be a tractor. I would love our composer to have another swing at the music. I’m not that he was really trying to not make jaws. Yeah. And I feel like it kind of fell flat.
Joe: Yeah. I think he should have just leaned 100% into like this is a jaws knock off. Because I thought that’s what was going especially that opening scene. Mm-hmm. They show the water. You’re going under the water. There’s the foot that’s dipping into the water. And you’re like, oh, jaws. Yeah. You know, they’re referencing it. And you kind of have the heavy strings. I was like, come on. Just like, go for it. And then that was the only moment.
Greg: And Harlan in his commentary addresses the fact that he’s been accused of having a foot fetish and his movie. That’s a good drinky game. Actually every time I show the somebody’s feet, then this movie, feet under water is two drinks. But he just said, I just think about if there’s a shark in the water. And I’m going in the water. He’s like, it’s such a visceral thing when you first put your feet in the water. Yeah. That’s why I’m doing it. But yeah. It is interesting. There’s a lot of feet in my movies. Yeah. He loves that low camera. So.
Joe: I still remember. I mean, jaws has had such an impact on the culture of which sharks. Yeah. Because, you know, they kill like six people a year or something. So tiny for what we think. But I remember we were on vacation in, I think the Galapagos and a shark was like a ten foot shark came like, I was on the boat with like, there are so people in the water. And it was just like, it came up. You saw the fin. And they said the sharks are not dangerous. But like, my heart still dropped. Yeah. Because it came. It just like came up and just completely ignored everyone. But just like I could hear the jaws theme in my head. Oh, interesting. I thought you were going to say deep blue seething. Oh, yeah. Sorry. I’m not the deep blue seething. Yeah. Such a weird thing in this movie where they said,
Greg: They really aren’t that into us. The only reason they would attack us is because they think we might be a seal. But once they take my they realize we aren’t. And so there’s this whole long suffering plot of this movie where it’s like, Why are they suddenly after people when they’ve explained to us they aren’t after people? And the whole thing is they’re trying to sink the aquatica, the place where they are so that they can get over the fences through the fences and get to freedom. That’s the whole plan. They’re so smart that they’re trying to sink aquatica so they can leave. Pretty belabored. Yeah.
Joe: They kind of bury that in the movie. You kind of get like just towards the end you get there motives. Right. It’s interesting. Yeah. I missed that there’s really no reason for them to be killing everyone. Yeah. It couldn’t. Yeah. All right. The whole plot of this move. I changed my mind. We got to start this episode over.
Greg: Watch it again. Watch it again. Yeah. All right. So my other thing I had two ideas for how this could be fixed or be made in a remade. The first is give everybody involved a second chance. Maybe a different composer. The second is remake it entirely, but just with the cast of Jurassic World, since it’s a joke one one to one. Uh-huh. Except one arms Samuel Jackson returns in Jurassic World. I’m in. Yeah. And he’s still there. And so then he dies 45 minutes into Jurassic World. Mm-hmm.
Joe: Yeah. As he’s still smoking in that constantly or as he like have like nicotine patches just covering his body.
Greg: You know how Bob Dylan has his harmonic hug like attached to some wires and you’re able to put his mouth down and another harmonic hug while he’s playing guitar. Sam Jackson has that but with cigarettes. Okay. Perfect. I’m in. All right. Joe, next important question. What album is this movie?
Joe: Okay. I spent far too long thinking about what album this is. And to me, this movie works because of really the nostalgia factor. And so I went back to and these are still out there, but kind of late 90s. This is when this specific genre came in and this is now that’s what I call music. Oh wow. Volume like a sampler. Whatever. Yeah. It’s it’s hits. It’s songs that when they were hits, you were like, eh, it’s not that great. Okay. There’s a lot of Britney Spears and all that. Yeah. And now when those songs come on, they have the nostalgia factor. So you’re like, oh, I love this song. You didn’t love it. Maybe when it came out. But you love it even more now. So this movie has a lot of nostalgia for me. And so this is a. Probably we should find the now. That’s what I call music. Probably volume three or four, which is about when this movie came out. Because I think they started coming out like 1997, 1998, and that range.
Greg: So that is what it is for me. It’s the second one. It came out July 27th of 1999, which is within a week of this movie. I think. Here’s the track listing. Number one, baby one more time Britney Spears. Yeah. Track two, you get what you give new radicals. Incredible. Number three, millennium by Robbie Williams. Number four, closing time by semi-son. Number five, sweetest thing. The single mix by you, too. That’s interesting. A remix of a B side from the Joshua tree in 1999. Number six, my favorite mistake by Cheryl Crow. Praise you by fat boy slim. I think I’m paranoid by garbage. Never there by cake. That’s a banger. Because of you, 98 degrees. Goodbye by the spice girls. I don’t think I know that song. So we’re the track 11, and we get to the first song I’ve never heard of. Take me there by Black Street and Maya featuring Mays and Blinky Blink. Mm-hmm. That’s I’m going to listen to that on the way home from this. Father of mine, but I ever clear what I got by sublime.
Joe: The clean version. Back street boys. I’ll never break your heart.
Greg: Hard knock life. Jay-Z. And everybody’s free to wear sunscreen by Baz Lerman. The weirdest track in the game that’s ever happened.
Joe: Awesome. I’m going to have to go with fat boy slim for our. No, that’s great. Spotify playlist. Yeah. That was my. I do love that song. And that boy slim is. I think now underrated as a producer in some ways. But yeah, what album is this for you? All right.
Greg: So I was looking for an album that wasn’t a first album. It was we were returning to something that we loved. We automatically bought in before we heard it. And that is what deeply see for me was like, well, I’m going to that movie. If it’s running Harlan. And so I chose. I don’t know why I chose this album. I did not think about this very long. I just chose this one and moved on. I think this album is third I blinds second album called Blue. All right. Do you know that album?
Joe: I don’t know that album.
Greg: It has some incredible songs on it. Every time I listen to it, I think I forgot this has some really good moments on it. And I never listen to it. It’s basically the album version of Deep Lucy for me. So I’m not sure what song I’ll put on there. It’s either going to be never let you go. Okay. Or.
Joe: I just cut love the really good songs. I’m going to surprise. I’m going to surprise you. Yeah. Sweet. I love it.
Greg: And by the way, I don’t know why third I blind is so great. But third I blind is so great.
Joe: Do she is band in the history? Really great. I and there’s another band that I can’t think of off the top of my head that I feel like mine have that. Sugar right. Sugar yes. Sugar right. It’s 100% sugar right. Is the do she is bandever. There must be do she here. It’s going to be hard. There might be, but I feel like sugar ray is in the is on the Mount Rushmore of do she bands for sure. So. Dear listeners, if you have a do she your band. Send it in. Find us on grape.movie.com. Send us an email like grape. I’m going to show at Gmail or find us on Instagram. Great. So tell us if there’s a do she your band then sugar ray. Limbiscuit is on that list to me. That’s definitely do you know a lot of bands like in this era too that just he knew metal. Yeah, I just could not stand them as people and as and their songs. But sugar ray was just it was one of those bands was like, how was this popular? I would listen. I would just everywhere on the radio and I just every time I wanted to stab myself.
Greg: And I had a conversation with a very well known musician yesterday that will go unnamed. And somehow sugar ray came up and I said, I’m not going to lie. Like whenever I’m at goodwill in the song someday comes on. I realize, oh, I always kind of like the song and you said exactly me too. That’s exactly the song I was going to say now. That’s so funny. All right. Joe, we need to close out our important questions with the most important question. How are you going to rate this movie? We have a scale. Great bad movies, good bad movies, okay bad movies, bad bad movies and awful bad movie. Where do you rank deeply see?
Joe: I am on the fence between okay and good on this one. I think as always, I’m going to just like it doesn’t quite deserve a good, but I’m going to go good bad movie, but it’s like right on the edge. It should be in okay bad movie. Yeah, but running a harlan blowing stuff up. The way he does and all of what he does well. Yeah. I just have such a soft spot for this. So this is a good bad movie.
Greg: How do you rate this movie? Here’s what I’m laughing because I wrote okay bad movie for the first time in my life on the show. And after I wrote it, I thought I bet Joe convinces me that it’s a good bad movie. Like that’s how I’m doing. I actually know, I’ll say okay, if we’re talking about the line and I think this is on the line. Yeah, right there. You go good and I’ll go okay.
Joe: Yeah, but we’re so close to the line that we could shake hands across the line. Yes, go ahead. Yeah, totally.
Greg: All right, we’re it’s not a line. It’s more of a fence. It’s an eight foot fence that Michael Rappellort put around us.
Joe: That the sharks are trying to sink so that we can shake hands properly.
Greg: It’s a long story. Yeah. I think we need to get to it. Actually, we probably should. Yeah.
Joe: All right, well, Joe, we did it. Yeah, we had the conversation and we had about 27 years after almost the release of this movie. So yeah, you’re welcome. And this is the definitive conversation. So if you have any other thing to say about it, keep it yourself as what we’re saying. No, reach out to us. Oh, yeah, yeah. All right, that’s probably better.
Greg: We want to know say it to yourself, but then secretly like message us. Yeah, it’s too great.
Joe: Yeah, please do. Yeah.
Greg: Um, Mr. if you’ve enjoyed this show, please go to whatever app you’re listening to it on and rate and review the show. If you didn’t like it, forget we ever said that. Obviously. Yeah. That is the main way you can support the show or you can tell a friend about the show. We write these drinking games so that everybody can get together with their friends and watch these movies that people are nostalgic for. Maybe maybe you were in a round when deeply see came out and it’s time to go back and watch borderline good or okay bad movie with your friends and have a great time. Yeah.
Joe: Absolutely. And and Greg famously is all about getting the gang back together and that’s what this podcast does absolutely all us back together. Yeah, bring you and your friends closer and you can lift a beverage whatever’s in that beverage we we do not judge so I play drinking games with coffee every day at work.
Greg: Mm-hmm. When somebody says a certain word in a meeting. Take a drink. Do you bring a bell you should bring the bell maybe you can bring the bell. Yeah. Everyone I work with will be so confused to be like the bell means it could be the name of your podcast.
Joe: I’m so confused.
Greg: All right. This has been a lot of fun Joe. Thanks for watching Deeply see with me. Oh, you’re welcome. This great. That was awesome. Oh, oh my gosh. I just noticed the time. Hey, listen, this really has been great. I wasn’t just saying that. Yeah. Okay. Good. Having said that there have been some red flares outside this deep sea tank that I’m living in right now. And so I’m going to check that out and just see if my colleagues actually remembered my birthday this year.
Joe: Okay. That’s good. That’s good. Yeah. This has been great. So great. Yeah. Always great to catch up. No, it is. It is. Yeah. But I have to go practice my new hobby of opening doors when water is rushing in real quick. So I’ll be sure I’ll be right back.
Greg: So. Okay. That works for me because I’ve got to get some rest. I’ve got a really big day tomorrow of shark hyper asmodic stuff going on. So. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That the hyper.
Joe: You know, like stuff. You know, I do that. Yeah.
Greg: Yeah.
Joe: Yeah. So I got to go. Yeah. Now that makes sense. I think I got to go anyway, too. You know, I got to get back to my job as a scheduler for remote scientific under water station. The firms coming in this weekend. So I need to figure out how many people need to be there. So what’s the right amount of people that might be devoured by shark. But also can keep things running in case they don’t care. Sure.
Greg: Yeah. That makes sense. Let me see. Yeah. The scheduling stuff. You’ve mentioned that last. Yeah. Yeah. Let’s see. Well, that works for me because it’s time for me to finally get out of this jail that I’ve been in much like Thomas Jane in the movie. We just watched and it’s time for me to find some kind of illegal science experiment that I can help out with well also being employed as a deep sea diver, which is what I love.
Joe: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I like when you’re combining two things that are really important to you. Yeah. Listen, this again, great. Super great. I’m going to go practice my new hobby of closing doors when there’s a lot of water rush against.
Greg: Come here, right back. That makes sense. That makes sense. I need to go because this parrot that I have is a real mouth on it. I got to have a conversation with it. I think really awkward really fast.
Joe: Yeah. That tracks that tracks. I’ve got to go to, I’ve got to go share an awkward kiss with a coworker right after an important scientific discovery. Sure. Sure. Yeah.
Greg: That works for me because I’m at this birthday party that I talked about earlier. And I need to just really explain shark theory to a bunch of people who know it better than me and the new guy who’s a lot better than me. Yeah.
Joe: Yeah. Yeah. That tracks a speaking of that. I got to convince that billionaire to come to our remote underwater science lab over a weekend right before storm comes in. It’ll be fine. I talked to our schedule here. They said it should be fine.
Greg: So when you say our schedule or that’s secretly you in the background, right?
Joe: That’s probably me in the background. Yes. Great.
Greg: All right. Well, as you know, that works for me because I am the one who’s going to be a part of the world. And the richest man in the world. And I’ve said that. I feel like I should have said that. I buried the lead. Oh, yeah. I was right with that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I’ve got a meeting with this woman, Safron Burrows that I know what she’s doing. Some illegal science stuff. I think I’m going to pull the plug on on the research. So, but I, you know, I’ve got a meter in my eternally sunset office that I have.
Joe: Okay. Yeah. That tracks. I’m going hiking with the world, which is man. Great.
Greg: Oh, that works for me, Joe. So I will see you soon. Awesome. See you soon. Thank you.