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This week on White Pants, Trash-Staches and Leaning Lloyd®:
Greg and Joe are joined by special guest David Hallgren (a true Gray Man expert who’s seen this movie 11 times) to dive into the Russo Brothers’ 2022 action spectacular — a $200 million Netflix gamble that continues to pay out for roughly 2 people on this episode.
Ryan Gosling plays Sierra Six, a CIA black ops mercenary who uncovers agency secrets and becomes the target of every assassin on the planet. Leading the hunt? Lloyd Hansen (Chris Evans), a sociopathic former colleague with white linen pants, a trash-stache, and zero regard for anyone else. Also featuring Ana de Armas, Billy Bob Thornton, Alfre Woodard, and DRONES. SO MANY DRONES.
Directed by Anthony and Joe Russo from a Mark Greaney novel, this movie delivers massive action set pieces from Austria to Prague to Croatia — including a mid-air plane explosion that happens 30 minutes in (because why wait for the finale?), and a Prague square shootout where a man handcuffed to a bench somehow survives thousands of bullets.
Is it the greatest bad movie ever made? Joe thinks it might be top three. Is it a little too CGI-muddy for Greg’s taste? Absolutely, but he’s coming around. Does it feature Chris Evans saying “I shot him” with the most gleeful delivery in cinema history? You’re darn right it does.
Greg, Joe, and David discuss leaning Lloyd, the art of the trash-stache, why Alpha Teams One through Three can’t hit anything, and whether this franchise would be better in someone else’s hands. They also discover that this movie gave them five new tropes, from “busting a gas line” to “gun in fancy foam box” to “talking about missing vital organs.”
As with every episode, this is the conversation that needed to happen about this movie. Also: Drinking Games (prepare for trope overload), Very Important Questions, Joe’s Real Back of the Box (with a bonus alternate version from their lost first recording), and more.
Note: This transcript has been auto-generated, so… You know… It’s not our fault.
Speaker 1 Dear listeners, we do have a special guest with us. The one, the only David Hellgren, has joining us again. No more where McDonald probably recovering after the Oscars from this last week. I owe Greg $5 because Cintas lost. Anyway, sad news for me and the $5 that I had went into a savings account. But in the movie we just watched, someone leans Lloyd David, how can you get first crack at this?
Speaker 1 When was the last time you leaned Lloyd?
Speaker 2 I think I haven’t leaned Lloyd since eighth grade. This is the last time I wore and had a white pair of pants. Awesome.
Speaker 3 That’s got to be what? Lloyd is on the inside. He is an outward version of our internal eighth grader.
Speaker 1 Yeah. For sure. What about you, Greg? Fine. Hard.
Speaker 3 Lewis. Last time I leaned, I’m leaning Lloyd right now, obviously with my white pants and yeah, I’m constantly leaning. Lloyd. I think I would get accused that if I met Gosling tonight.
Speaker 1 Yeah, probably.
Speaker 3 How about you, Joe? Let’s turn the question back on you. When was the last time you lean, Lloyd?
Speaker 1 I think the last time I wore white pants was about 25 years ago. They were like white linen pants. And I wore with, like, a bright Hawaiian shirt in the middle of Seattle. Like in the summer, like walk into a bar somewhere so that that whole era would have been my, my Lloyd era. Really. So, as the kids say.
Speaker 3 That’s classic Lloyd.
Speaker 1 Era. Classic Lloyd era.
Speaker 3 All right, let’s get to the show.
Speaker 1 Let’s do it.
Speaker 2 What do you know about the CIA program?
Speaker 4 Reckless mystery man? You guys send in when you can officially send anyone else.
Speaker 5 The gray man. Lloyd.
Speaker 5 I got an urgent locate and destroy and could be fun. The man’s got some street cred.
Speaker 5 That have something they really want. What’s your gut? It’s going to be my funeral. You’re going to next. You want to make an omelet? You got to kill some people. You must be loyal. What gave it away? The trash stash. It’s aliens. Lloyd. See you. I’m about to put a head so big on your boys head that even his most loyal allies hesitate to drop in on every grade-A wet team from here to major league B, vying for the prestige of killing the infamous year six.
Speaker 5 I can kill anybody. Maybe not anybody.
Speaker 3 The year is 2022, and Anthony and Joe Russo, the Russo brothers, finally get to their long time pet project called The Gray Man, based on a book by Mark Greaney from I Want to Say like 2008 2009. We are talking about Ryan Gosling, Chris Evans, Ana de Armas, Billy Bob Thornton, Jessica Henwick.
Speaker 2 Dhanush.
Speaker 3 We’ve got Rege-jean page. I hope I’m saying his name right. Alfred Woodward.
Speaker 2 Shea.
Speaker 3 Whigham pulls an F-1 in this movie and shows up for a scene or two just casting checks. And so we need to ask our special guest for this episode, the guy whose house I watched this movie at the weekend. It came out on Netflix and Pennington, new Jersey. David Hellgren what makes The Gray Man a great bad movie?
Speaker 2 The Gray Man has so many things that make it a great bad movie. Like it tells you where you’re at in big white letters. It it tells you when you’re at three weeks ago, 12 years ago, three months from now. It always lets you know, it gives you context. But the greatest thing about it, I think, is I laughed out loud in this movie about 17 times.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 3 Totally. And everybody, or at least the two stars.
Speaker 2 Yeah, Chris Evans and Ryan Gosling are hilarious. And it is a it’s a great vehicle for them. It gives you all the the action. It gives you great dialog. You know, things blow up, you know, which is amazing. Yeah, it I love this movie.
Speaker 3 And how many times do you think you’ve seen it at this point?
Speaker 2 11 I think 11 times.
Speaker 1 That’s awesome. I am very close to you, David, in terms of how many times I’ve seen this movie, it gets better every time I watch this movie. It is a near perfect, great bad movie. I may even and this might be a conversation for later in the episode. Put it in the top three of the greatest bad movies ever.
Speaker 1 I was trying to come up with this. Yeah. Wow. Like every time I watch it, I laugh out loud.
Speaker 2
Speaker 1 And Chris Evans coming off of Captain America, it’s such a perfect juxtaposition for him of just being the worst person in the world. And he is loving every second he is on screen. It is so funny. The chemistry they have when they’re on screen together is so awesome. I just assume that when they’re even not on the screen, talking to each other like on the phone, that they were just like, they’re on set together because it was.
Speaker 1 That’s just my I assume that, but it’s totally not right. And it’s a movie that I when I first saw it, I thought the ending was a little weak. Now I love the ending. I think it’s actually perfect how it yeah, how it goes sets up a sequel, potentially great action sequences throughout the middle action sequence in Prague.
Speaker 1 Every time I watch this movie, I watch it at least twice. It has everything I’d ever want at the them watching on the screen of the people doing the attacking. And you get the you know, you know that people are going to die as soon as you.
Speaker 3 See their heart.
Speaker 2 Rate. Yeah. The aliens.
Speaker 1 Yes. Every single time. So I love this movie. What about you, Greg? Flying heart. Where do you land with this one?
Speaker 2 Well.
Speaker 3 I am best friends with two people who love this movie and often mentioned it to me.
Speaker 2 And.
Speaker 3 I think I’ve seen it 2 or 3 times now and it has gotten better each time. I’m not the biggest fan of The Gray Man compared to you guys. Having said that, let me finish.
Speaker 2 Yeah. Hold on, I’ll be back. David.
Speaker 3 Near perfect film, near perfect film. I feel a little bit frustrated at the Russo brothers in this movie. I feel like they I wish somebody else had directed this movie, to be honest with you. But as far as the actors working in this movie and what they’re trying to accomplish with the script, I’m totally on board. I just feel like similar to, some of the Marvel stuff, it gets a little muddy and CGI ish in a way that just kind of bums me out.
Speaker 3 And so it’s a little muddy. It’s a little ridiculous, but I feel like I’m ready to watch it a fourth time immediately. Right now. Maybe we should do a commentary tonight.
Speaker 1 Yeah, I was this close to playing a record scratch. When you are in the middle of your diatribe against this movie.
Speaker 2 And I just take that as a challenge by the end of this podcast. Oh, you’re going to love this movie.
Speaker 1 You will love this movie, Greg.
Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 It’s interesting. I mean, it’s only 20, 26 guys and it’s interesting to watch Ryan Gosling kind of in the middle of his pivot to funny Gosling. You know, he had gotten the nice guys. I mean, we now understand he’s hosted SNL a couple times. He’s been in Barbie. He was in the fall guy. He’s legitimately, incredibly funny. But while I was watching this last night, I was thinking, it’s funny that he’s not going for it.
Speaker 3 As hard as he does now. And this is just a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 The bona fide of him as an actor is beyond he’s almost beyond reproach in terms of like, he can do serious drama. Yeah, he can do comedy, he can do musicals, he can do action. Yeah. And he still bleeds through in a charming way. And I think of him in drive. If you all seen drive.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 1 Yeah. He’s got almost no lines in that movie.
Speaker 2
Speaker 1 And he just like is magnetic on the screen. And then this movie he’s got to carry it as the, as the lead. And he’s again magnetic and hilarious but also gives room for Chris Evans who I think is given more room to be ridiculous. And then every line read that Chris Evans is give. I mean my favorite one is like he’s limping and it’s like, why are you walking like that?
Speaker 1 Oh, I shot him. He asked Suzanne.
Speaker 2 Yeah. I was just like.
Speaker 2 Where’s the purpose that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 Yeah, I, I enjoyed this movie. Every time I think once you get to like the sixth or seventh time.
Speaker 3 Sure, sure.
Speaker 1 Because I think I felt like you did about the Russo brothers. The first few times I watched this movie. But then as you kind of get into it. Yeah, really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 You know, see the digital blood splatter after like 7 or 8 feeling like.
Speaker 3 It’s a pretty violent movie for a PG 13 movie.
Speaker 2 I can’t believe it. PG 13 yeah, yeah, it’s it doesn’t have a feel of a PG 13 movie.
Speaker 3 No it doesn’t. You’re right.
Speaker 1 I added like five new tropes to our trope list based on this movie. So. Oh, wow. We will we will detail those when we get to it.
Speaker 2 Oh, there’s some pro heavy drinking game action in this movie.
Speaker 3 There is in this movie.
Speaker 2 And that’s where.
Speaker 1 I just have to say now it is perfect in every way, especially the Prague Square scene. The choice that the police make to handcuff him to a bench.
Speaker 2
Speaker 1 Probably in hindsight, a mistake.
Speaker 2 You think so?
Speaker 1 It felt like someone like the stunt coordinator was like. I’ve always wanted to do a scene where someone is handcuffed to a bench. How do we do that. Right. And it’s hilarious. And then there are moments where it’s played for laughs. Even in the middle of a thousand bullets flying everywhere at all time. That’s so great.
Speaker 1 Greg’s having an F1 moment. Like I had, like.
Speaker 2 I was like.
Speaker 1 This was the worst movie I’ve ever seen. This was a.
Speaker 2 Mistake.
Speaker 3 During that scene when he’s handcuffed to the bench and then later when they’re in front of the hospital, like, I should be embracing how ridiculous it is that so many people from so many different directions have a clear shot of every main character of this movie, and yet nobody’s getting hit. But in both of those scenes, it was like, what is even happening here?
Speaker 3 There’s zero stakes. Everyone shooting and nobody’s hitting them. And and I’m a person who loves great bad shots in the movie. I love it when people just miraculously are not shot by a machine gun ten feet away. But during this movie, I’m like, what is happening? I think I’m holding it to a higher standard than it needs to be.
Speaker 2 Alpha team one, Alpha team two, and Alpha Team three. Yeah, all of them were deployed and press no. Yeah, no one got that.
Speaker 1 Well. And the Swat team, don’t forget about them.
Speaker 2 Oh yeah. Yeah yeah. Prog slot.
Speaker 3 Yeah. How dare you never forget the Swat team, right?
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 3 This is a movie where, some of our best actors decided to just blow themselves up. Alfred Woodard is just ready to blow up or hopeless. Billy Bob Thornton spoilers.
Speaker 2 Just.
Speaker 1 Yeah. Thanks. One for the.
Speaker 2 Team. Literally. So I was describing to Kristen, my wife Kristen, who the most common reaction to any movie. What is that exaggerated eyeroll? When I told her, oh yeah, this I’m watching this movie because I got to do a little research on it. Big eye roll. And then she said, well, who’s in it? And I went through the cast and she was like, well, that has to be a good movie.
Speaker 2 Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 It is, it is. She’s right.
Speaker 2 I know that was like, you’re right, you’re on Team Gray, man, I knew it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 She was in the room for a while when we watched it.
Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. I think there was an eye roll of that night as well. Yeah.
Speaker 3 She made it through a little bit of each movie we watched that weekend.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 1 So Greg, tell us what other challenges you have with this movie. And then we will mercilessly mock you for being wrong, I think is what the plan is now.
Speaker 3 Well, I think there’s something about this movie that makes me think we are in for some prestige great bad movie here, and it kind of lets me down it when I put that prestige, high hopes on it. You know, the secret to doing any movie in every movie is walking in with a low bar. There’s something about this movie as it’s starting where I think this is going to look and feel amazing, and it’s made by some of our best filmmakers, and it has some of the best crew members in history and an amazing cast.
Speaker 3 I mean, Ana de Armas is in this movie, so there’s a little bit of a letdown that happens in my first 2 or 3 times watching this. And also it’s a it’s kind of trying to be a bit bond. It’s trying to be a bit born. It’s trying to be a little bit mission impossible. And as I’m watching this, I sometimes think, oh yeah, this was done better in a different movie than I’ve seen.
Speaker 3 You know, like the whole plane scene is just a CGI fest. You know, I don’t think we were anywhere near a real plane in the air. And it’s just hard these days. You know, after Mission Impossible Fallout, I think I’m taking it. I’m taking it too seriously. I need to be watching this. Like I’m watching the A-Team, which also has a very CGI plane scene.
Speaker 3 Yes, I need to be watching this like I’m watching the best A-Team ish movie in history, which is basically what it is.
Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 What movie? So what movie does a plane scene better? I know that they’re CGI, it’s very CGI heavy, I get that, but like the action scenes within it from an exploding plane, I put this again in the top 2 or 3 I’ve ever seen.
Speaker 2 Okay. Thank you so for asking Greg that question.
Speaker 1 You’re welcome.
Speaker 3 Does the plane in Fast and Furious six ever take off?
Speaker 2 It’s still going down the runway.
Speaker 3 It’s still on the runway right now.
Speaker 2 And then.
Speaker 1 Yeah. And then it explodes as Vin Diesel drives through the explosion.
Speaker 2 Right? Right.
Speaker 1 Fast six. I’ll give you for plane explosion. Action scene over this one. That is the final scene. So they have to, like, ramp it up a little bit.
Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. See, that’s the other. Like, Die Hard two. Yeah. It has a plane exploding in the air, but it’s like the finale. These are finale sets. Yeah, this isn’t the finale. So this is just a shot.
Speaker 3 This, like, 30 minutes in?
Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly. This is this is Thursday. Yeah.
Speaker 1 That’s not a Thursday.
Speaker 2 Yeah. It’s just Thursday. I love that Age of Ultron has like an airplane scene. A giant aircraft carrier that crashed. Yeah sure.
Speaker 3 Air Force One I feel like there’s a lot of airplane scenes these days. I will say that even though it’s a bumpy ride for me, getting through, when you get to the end of this movie is all worth it. Because the way that Gosling and the girl are connecting, the way they’re weaving together, what’s going to be like future movies?
Speaker 2 Maybe.
Speaker 3 Maybe, yeah. We don’t know if there’s going to be a sequel. They’re still apparently working on the.
Speaker 2 The so the roots. And so I’ll go back to and this might be a hot day. Okay. I think this franchise is in the hands of the Russos. Is that tasty proposition? Yes. It great if this got handed off to someone else, I think the future movies would maybe be better.
Speaker 3 I totally agree, I don’t know if Joe agrees. Joe’s nodding, but his face is saying no.
Speaker 1 I’m on the fence about.
Speaker 3 If it could be any better.
Speaker 1 Yeah, and honestly, what I’m thinking is, could this be the Russo Brothers best three movies? Gray man one, two and three. Putting it in the pantheon with fast 4 or 5 and six. I’m trying to think of other movie trilogies that we’ve talked about. Our three best movie. Like, I could totally see them if they if they have the right script and the right cast.
Speaker 3 Right avatar one, two and three. You’re constantly talking about this.
Speaker 1 Constantly talking about I cannot talk enough about how much I love those movies. Let’s have James Cameron just direct this. You want you want more CGI. Let’s bring in.
Speaker 2 You. And. The third one’s all animated.
Speaker 1 The third one is just in your imagination. That’s just how it goes now.
Speaker 2 Yeah, totally. Yeah.
Speaker 1 But I definitely hear you’re like, worry about the Russo brothers. I think them being outside of the the Marvel world gives them more freedom, which to me this movie was like, what have we wanted to do that we couldn’t because we were constrained by the universe of Marvel?
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 3 You know.
Speaker 1 And so it does feel a little bloodier, a little grittier.
Speaker 2
Speaker 1 And then there is some John Wick in the action scene, some of the hand-to-hand stuff that I really appreciated.
Speaker 2 Yeah it’s good.
Speaker 1 This stunt coordinator has been, has basically done every Marvel movie you’ve ever seen.
Speaker 3 Spyro Rosado is this his name? He’s done movies like The Peacekeeper with George Clooney and Nicole Kidman. Classic great Bad movie. We will definitely get to that movie. He did Bad Boys two with Michael Bay, 21g a little bit more dramatic, but still really good. Herbie Fully Loaded. So you know, we’re in good hands here.
Speaker 1 But the are right there.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 3 It’s classic Logan, obviously, right? Yeah Talladega Nights we talked about that last week a little bit. It’s kind of like pre F1 a little too silly for Joe. But he did the remake of Death Race with Statham.
Speaker 2 Yeah it’s so good.
Speaker 3 We’ll get to that movie. Yeah. Will we get to that movie?
Speaker 1 We did that movie. It was one of our like we didn’t release it. It’s one of our unreleased.
Speaker 2 Oh, I was going to say you did. I don’t remember that one. Yeah, I remember though.
Speaker 3 I think I watched the second one as well. And then I started the third. Ving Rhames is just rockin all of them, by the way. The Expendables, X-Men First Class, the remake of Total Recall in 2012, Kong Skull Island, one of the greatest bad movies made in the last 15 years. So good bad boys for life. We will definitely get to that movie.
Speaker 3 That movie is incredible. 21 Bridges. Have you guys seen 21 bridges? I love that movie.
Speaker 1 Was that Robert Downey Jr.
Speaker 3 No, it’s Chadwick Boseman, Sienna miller, Taylor Kitsch JK Simmons is in it.
Speaker 2 Keith.
Speaker 3 David it’s really good. It’s a it’s a great great bad movie. We’ll get to it for sure.
Speaker 2 I think I know what I’m doing tomorrow. Yeah.
Speaker 3 I need to tell you a couple more movies that this second unit director did, because this guy is unbelievable and basically the source of all of our joy for, like, the last 25 years, I haven’t seen venom, but he did do venom. He did Captain America Winter soldier, which, Joe, that’s your favorite?
Speaker 2 I was just going to say that’s the best. Yeah, that’s the.
Speaker 1 Best action movie of the Marvel movies. My favorite is still Thor Ragnarok.
Speaker 3 Right? Right, right. Okay, that makes sense. Also, the first Russo Brothers movie. Yeah, in the Marvel world. And then he had a run that starts with Fast Five Golden Helicopter Award winner, Fast Five, and then he does fast six, seven, eight, nine and ten. This is our guy.
Speaker 2 He’s like, yeah, ring of honor. Yeah.
Speaker 1 We might have to send him a golden helicopter after this episode 100%.
Speaker 3 Yeah, totally. He gets it early in the year from us.
Speaker 2 Honorary. Yeah. Lifetime achievement award Spiro Rosado.
Speaker 3 Come on. Unbelievable. Thank you for what you’re doing. He is, you know, waking up early in the morning making sure that cars are just flying through the air. He’s making sure helicopters are flying, you know, low. There is a not a silent helicopter out of nowhere. But there is a almost silent helicopter in this movie that we see slowly take off because it’s a dramatic moment.
Speaker 3 Yeah. Incredible screen.
Speaker 1 Have you talked about James Young who is.
Speaker 2 The.
Speaker 1 Lead stunt coordinator for the Gray Man I don’t know. Well, he has worked with the Russo brothers through all of the Marvel movies as well.
Speaker 2 Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 I think he should also get an honorable mention here. Yeah. For this for the stunts on this, on this movie and yeah, all the work he did, he worked on almost everything that kind of came out up to Infinity War, I believe, or whatever. The last one, I hated the last two. So I’m, I kind of was out on Marvel after that.
Speaker 3 But the most successful movies of all time.
Speaker 2 Yeah. My daughters started watching them all in succession. Okay. He’s about 11 in. Yeah.
Speaker 1 And she doing it in when they were released. Chronological order or when they are in the timeline chronologically.
Speaker 2 When they were released. Okay.
Speaker 3 Is she doing it wrong? Joe?
Speaker 1 I don’t know the answer to that. I think there are crazy fans who do it have done it both ways. And so I get it. But they get better. Maybe around Iron Man three.
Speaker 2 So good Shane black diamond, same black.
Speaker 3 Yeah. What would this movie have been like if Shane Black had written and directed it?
Speaker 1 Well, first of all, it’s set in Christmas.
Speaker 2 Sure.
Speaker 1 Someone’s got a broken hand in a cast.
Speaker 2 Yeah, sure. It costs $74 million less than me. Yes. For sure. Yeah.
Speaker 3 I wonder if Gosling would have made this if it was a Shane Black movie theater. He made the nice guys and the nice guys is one of the best Shane Black movies.
Speaker 1 I think. So it’s probably a, I would say maybe even his best.
Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 We’ll get to the nice guys.
Speaker 1 We tried to do it. We it was like a great, great movie. We loved it.
Speaker 2 Well, earlier when Joe and you were talking and you were like, great. And you were waxed. Hey, I’m on the fence with the Russo brothers. I got to admit. Yeah, yeah, I think this would have been a great, great movie if someone else could have directed it.
Speaker 3 Agreed. Who would you put there?
Speaker 2 I don’t know, because what made this so great to me was the comedic parts of it. Yeah. Which I think was the Russo brothers.
Speaker 3 Which they’re incredible. I mean, they got their start doing TV. They did like 14 episodes of community. Yeah, they did Arrested Development. They did that show Happy Endings.
Speaker 2 I was totally torn. And I think I’m like their last movie they did for Netflix. I think every movie they’ll ever do again is in jeopardy because of how much they spent and made $11.
Speaker 3 You’re talking about the electric state?
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 3 Chris Pratt and.
Speaker 2 Millie Bobby Brown.
Speaker 3 That’s right, Millie Bobby Brown.
Speaker 2 It was like $340 million.
Speaker 2 And it is not. Get it? No. Oh, no.
Speaker 1 David Lee, to be the director that I would say could land the plane with the comedic elements of it and the action elements.
Speaker 2
Speaker 1 He probably be the only one that I would trust. Maybe Justin Lin a little.
Speaker 2 I was thinking Justin Lin as well. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 What makes this movie memorable? And every I come back to it is how funny it is. And the characters. If it was just the action again, I would watch it. Probably this is the same amount of times, but like this is a movie that I have randomly just been like, what do I want to watch? I want to watch something new.
Speaker 1 Oh, there’s the gray man. I’m going to watch the Gray Man.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 3 It’s a one step process.
Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly. I, I 100% know exactly what that moment feels like.
Speaker 1 Yeah. Greg, it’s the greatest moment in the world.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 3 Yeah. So I wasn’t able to watch this in one sitting. I actually watched this in three sittings. And so I had like time to think about it. In between those sittings. And I will say that the second and third time I sat down to watch it, I kind of was like, oh, right, I need to go to Netflix.
Speaker 3 And I wasn’t really thinking about what I was going to watch. It was more just, I need to watch the movie for the podcast. And when I saw The Gray Man, I went, oh good, the Gray man. This when I sat down for the second and third time, I had that feeling. I was like, oh, that’s cool. I get to watch The Gray Man.
Speaker 3 That’s fine. So it’s an opportunity that we can all have for the rest of our lives.
Speaker 1 Absolutely.
Speaker 3 Subscribing to Netflix. So Netflix is giving out $200 million to make this movie. And we’re thinking maybe David Leach, we’re thinking maybe, Justin Lin, I think Shane Black could have done a funnier kind of less expensive movie. And I have an answer for this later on. If you know the important question of how could this movie be fixed?
Speaker 3 Never comes up.
Speaker 1 Maybe.
Speaker 3 Can I ask you guys a couple kind of early on questions? Can we get to some of the the tough the tough questions early on?
Speaker 1 Let’s do it.
Speaker 3 This movie takes a very strong stand on watermelon Bubblicious do you want some gum? And he’s like, this is the only kind of gum I would say yes to. Or it’s like there is only one kind of gum and it’s watermelon. Bubblicious where do you guys stand on watermelon?
Speaker 1 Bubblicious it is one of my favorite gum from my childhood.
Speaker 2 Yep.
Speaker 1 So I’m all in. I was I was right there with and I was like, whatever has got to happen to get out of this prison. Ryan Gosling, you take that gum and you run through it.
Speaker 2 Yeah, it brought me back to riding my bike. There was a corner store called O’Neil’s in Ferndale, Washington, and I would ride my bike up there. And later on in high school, I worked there and it brought me back to standing in O’Neill’s. They would have like a video game there. So that’s where I learned how to play Donkey Kong and Time Pilot, and I would get a mountain Dew and Watermelon Bubblicious and like, that is summer to me.
Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. It’s my, you know, like, stand by me. Like cherry flavored Pez. Like it is the cherry flavor guys for me.
Speaker 3 That’s incredible. Yeah, I agree, I remember it lasting about a minute. I think 60s was their goal and they nailed it.
Speaker 2 All five pieces were gone before I rode my bike the mile and a quarter at home.
Speaker 3 100%. I loved that they invoked that though. And in that scene, it’s, digitally de-aged Billy Bob Thornton meeting with digitally de-aged Ryan Gosling. Where do you guys stand on digitally de-aged intros in movies?
Speaker 2 This is the first time I’ve ever considered that they were digitally de-aged. So there you go.
Speaker 2 So it worked to me. It was Billy Bob Thornton and Ryan Gosling. Totally, totally.
Speaker 1 I really struggle with the digital de-aging. It’s got that AI sheen to it.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 1 And I know, like they use it and I know Vin Diesel does it in the fast later Fast and Furious movies. And they famously did it to Robert De Niro in a movie.
Speaker 2 Mark Hamill.
Speaker 1 Yeah. It looks yeah, I don’t like it now. Am I like going to not watch a movie because of it? No. Absolutely not. No. I’m in. But and I guess there’s only so much you can do with makeup to like, date someone.
Speaker 2 But,
Speaker 1 It’s not my favorite thing.
Speaker 3 I really liked the way that show lost did it, where they just put the actor in a bad wig for all the flashbacks, and it kind of became a thing, like flashbacks were always just them in a bad wig. I feel like just all of Hollywood should embrace that and do that. It should just be the thing we don’t need de-aging.
Speaker 3 Just put him in the bad wig and one that what you’re trying to do is so great. We’re saving you $40 million right now.
Speaker 2 I love that.
Speaker 3 Call J.J. Abrams and, get those wigs. This movie is also quite dark. I remember that scene where they de-age them. It’s quite dark. It’s easier to do it, I guess, in the dark than in the light. But this movie is quite dark. A lot of shadows, a lot of gray, I guess, and just a lot of color going on.
Speaker 3 Quite a bit. It’s a very dark movie. I feel like it’s it’s really going for something strong, and I’m not sure it’s entirely successful yet. I think the 10th time I watch, I’m gonna be like, I freaking love this movie.
Speaker 2 I think it’s going for something strong and it’s entirely successful. Okay, great. Agreed.
Speaker 1 What David just said I’m super. And I think that the first time I watched that I had didn’t have much expectation on it. But this is like to me, the classic, if you watch this movie on a plane, this is the greatest movie you’ve ever seen.
Speaker 2 Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 I will have this with me in my pocket every time I get on a plane. From now on, let’s get called the cinematographer of this movie. His name’s Stephen F wind. And he made a movie called The Postman, which I think was a famously expensive movie with Kevin Costner directing. That didn’t do so well.
Speaker 2 It was so good. I loved that.
Speaker 3 Movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you’re all in on that movie.
Speaker 2 Well, the guy from, remember the Titans, the coach. He was like the general. Yeah, yeah. Okay.
Speaker 3 And then he. I don’t know if this is a step up or a step down for him. He does a movie called The Patriot with Steven Seagal.
Speaker 2 Yeah, I’ve seen it is terrible. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 Step down then.
Speaker 2 Yeah. Step way down.
Speaker 3 All right, well, here’s where it starts to get really good with with Steve Wynn. And you ready for this next movie is Deep Blue. See that I wanted to talk about super smart sharks.
Speaker 2 Super smart starts.
Speaker 3 With Renny Harlin. We will definitely be getting the deep blue sea. And next time we do a super smart animal it will be a super spy shark.
Speaker 2 We have.
Speaker 3 To like, actively decide not to do Renny Harlin movies on this.
Speaker 2 Show.
Speaker 3 Yeah, otherwise we’d just be doing him the whole time. He did Tokyo Drift Fast and Furious three.
Speaker 2 So good.
Speaker 3 He did Golden Helicopter award winning Fast Five. He did, G.I. Joe Retaliation, the sequel with Bruce Willis, and I think the Rock.
Speaker 1 We will definitely get to all the G.I. Joe movies.
Speaker 3 You think so?
Speaker 2 Okay.
Speaker 1 Well, a G.I. Joe.
Speaker 2 Movie.
Speaker 3 I think we do all 3 in 1 episode.
Speaker 2 Is.
Speaker 3 Snake Eyes the third one?
Speaker 1 I think. So can.
Speaker 3 We have a brief conversation that needed to happen about the G.I. Joe.
Speaker 2 Series?
Speaker 1 I have been waiting my entire life for this moment.
Speaker 2 Greg, I’m so glad you waited until I was on for this.
Speaker 3 I know, I know, I’m just going to go straight to David. David, tell us about the three Germanys.
Speaker 2 They’re amazing. Right?
Speaker 3 And are they really? Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 The first one is really good. Okay, okay. I mean, when I say really good, it’s like.
Speaker 1 We know what you mean. It’s really.
Speaker 2 Good. It’s really good. Yeah, I love them. I love the I loved all of them. Okay. All three of them were amazing. I think I liked the second one better than the first one. Except I was disappointed like that. The main characters didn’t you know they didn’t all transfer over. Who’s the main character. What’s the actor’s name.
Speaker 2 Magic Mike.
Speaker 1 Oh Channing Tatum.
Speaker 2 Channing Tatum I could have had a little more Channing Tatum.
Speaker 3 Always.
Speaker 2 But it was great. Yeah.
Speaker 3 Okay. Let me get through some more Steve Wynn and movies, guys. Fast and furious six, seven, eight, nine and ten.
Speaker 1 Okay.
Speaker 3 After making three and five glaring omission, they’re with Fast and Furious, the fourth movie, which is one of the best, so I’m not sure what happened. There it is Sonic the Hedgehog, which is a classic if you have kids. I loved that movie. He did Star Trek Beyond with Justin Lin.
Speaker 2 So good.
Speaker 3 Which was really.
Speaker 2 Good. Yeah. Really good.
Speaker 3 Joe, where are you on the Star Trek movies? I’m ready to watch some Star Trek movies sometime.
Speaker 1 Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 Okay, we’ll get to some Star Trek movies. Yeah. And then he made a classic for Netflix called The Electric State. He turned $335 million. That all went to Steve Wynn and at 5 million for the rest of the cast.
Speaker 2 But any future Gray Man movie in jeopardy because of the budget of that movie.
Speaker 1 In the electric state, that they lean really heavily on drones, shots swooping in. Because if I had a note, okay, for the gray Man cinematographer, maybe of 1 or 2 less drone shots, let them have their effects.
Speaker 2 Any leaning should be Lloyd, not drugs.
Speaker 3 Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 1 That’s right.
Speaker 3 The drones fell over Lloyd. There was not Leo.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 3 Yeah. The drone work in this movie. I mean, in 2022, it was one of the first times we had really seen it done. I think Michael Bay does it in the movie ambulance, and there are a couple other movies where it’s really blatant. I think it’s kind of toned down now. I think people learned some lessons from the Green Man.
Speaker 3 It’s pretty rough. I really dislike it. Honestly. I feel like the best use of a drone is when you don’t realize it’s the drone.
Speaker 1 I didn’t mind. There’s there’s one shot. I don’t mind it in the prog scene. It’s kind of Mark’s like, the third act of that scene. But then all throughout the rest of it, it was too much. It was just a little too distracting. That’s really the only thing I can think negative about this movie. Probably.
Speaker 3 That’s tough talk right there.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 1 So I did come to the show for.
Speaker 3 I will say, though, that in the beginning of the movie when they’re doing the fireworks, where are they?
Speaker 2 Singapore.
Speaker 1 Yeah, Singapore.
Speaker 3 It’s amazing. Just big titles on the screen throughout this entire film.
Speaker 2 I know exactly they were in Singapore. Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 No cinematic boom. No with the titles as much. Some occasionally a soft one. But they should have learned from Black Widow and just done a really big cinematic every time. But, there is a scene where much like an actually F1 fireworks are going off and a drone is going straight through them and I think drone going through fireworks is the best use of both of those things at the same time.
Speaker 3 If there’s going to be a drone, send it straight through some fireworks every of the week.
Speaker 2 All right. Then I thought that, that opening with the fireworks. Yeah. And the tubes. And that perspective was so cool.
Speaker 3 Yeah. Really great. The special effects. And they’re a little muddy. That was the first time I was like, oh, I think you’re getting into some muddy, kind of muddy Marvel special effects that I kind of struggle with. But, he gets a water pistol. First of all, and the water pistol gets him through like a security door.
Speaker 2 Yeah, I think something on the handle is like some step that gets him through. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 No need to explain.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 3 But I do like that. We meet Ana de Armas, and she walks up to and gives him a water pistol. I thought that was a pretty good intro.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 3 And he gets a gun and it is in foam. And we talked about guns in foam for The Hitman’s Bodyguard. What? What’d you think, Joe?
Speaker 1 I added it to our drop list. There’s one guy that.
Speaker 2 Love it.
Speaker 1 So I was happy about that. There are two tropes that I need to add. A second one. There is the full gun in the foam, and then there is the trope of them putting the gun together. Yes, usually in foam, but not always. So yeah.
Speaker 3 There’s some kind of virtue signal that we’re supposed to make of this because there is the duffle bag full of guns trope.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 3 Why can’t this thing just be loose in this thing? But it’s in foam to denote like, these are highly organized people or something, I don’t know.
Speaker 2 Yeah. I think it’s the technology of the gun because it had that screen on it. It’s like a special. Yeah, it’s like that technologically advanced gun that needs its own. A you can’t just throw it in with like the other metal tags. No, you don’t want to crack the case on the.
Speaker 3 Screen is very fragile. It’s early days for that screen.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 3 We need a duffel bag full of those guns, and they’re all just totally broken because there was all. There’s some brains are broken. Like, this is broken.
Speaker 2 It’s like sliding on anything. That’s the finger. Yeah.
Speaker 3 I can’t see two floors up anymore. Guys, how am I supposed to do this? Heavy virtue signaling from Ryan Gosling and then the other rogue agent that you’re not honorable if you’re killing women and children, I guess is what we learn. The bad guys are fine with it and the good guys aren’t. That’s where the red line is in this movie.
Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, I like that. Yeah. It’s the only difference between Lloyd and Sierra is that yes.
Speaker 3 They’re only six years. That surprised me. And he was the last one.
Speaker 2 I don’t know if there were more than him.
Speaker 3 I don’t think so. I think there were half a dozen and he was the last one.
Speaker 2 I find that I’ve read the books. But you have? Oh, yeah. Of course.
Speaker 3 How is this different than the book?
Speaker 2 It’s a little different, but it actually follows the the timeline of the first book pretty pretty closely. There’s some differences. Yeah. Okay. You know, the girl, the young girl kidnaping it was it was a family. And, you know, there were some differences like that. Okay. That I think they just added it up a little bit, but it was pretty close to the book.
Speaker 3 Was the character in the book just named Billy Bob Thornton? It was Billy Bob Thornton.
Speaker 2 In the book parentheses. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 Kind of looking like Colonel Sanders. That’s what it said in the book.
Speaker 2 Yeah. Yes.
Speaker 3 Where? So where does this guy sit in, like today’s spy genre world, or is there somebody else that you wish they were making movies based on the books?
Speaker 2 Well, they made that one. It was with the younger guy, and he’s he’s trained by Michael Keaton.
Speaker 1 Oh, I’ve seen trailers for that.
Speaker 2 So that one, they only made one of those. And there’s a number of books. And that one was pretty good. But Mark Greaney is he’s really good. He took over for he now writes the Tom Clancy novels. He writes all the like Jack Ryan Junior. Oh, wow. Books. Okay. So he’s like kind of taken over that series, but he still writes some of the series six novels, too.
Speaker 2 Oh, wow.
Speaker 1 Who’s your favorite spy?
Speaker 2 Author Tom Clancy.
Speaker 1 I probably read ten books of his. I was really annoyed with the Without Remorse movie.
Speaker 2 The Michael B Jordan one.
Speaker 1 Yeah, there was so much potential and I thought the story was great. I love the book. And then they just, like, made a left turn into, like, let’s make a terrible movie town.
Speaker 2 So, yeah, like, if you just watch the movie on its own and you don’t call it Without Remorse, I mean, I’d watch the movie, but I watch a lot of movies. Yeah, it’s nothing special, but the Without Remorse story from Clancy is amazing. I miss the origin story of John Clark. It’s like amazing.
Speaker 1 Yeah, I my favorite characters of his ever.
Speaker 2 Oh, amazing. Yeah, yeah. But Mark Raney, he starts up, I enjoy him, and I think he’s in the genre. He’s one of the big guys now. Yeah.
Speaker 3 All right. Well we’ll talk about if we need more of these movies later on. Based on these books, I was pretty happy to see a lot of vibrating phones in this movie. Even when loud stuff is going on. You hear that? The greatest. My favorite thing in history.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 3 I like that. They, You know, I can’t find him because his file doesn’t exist. At one point, it’s like he doesn’t exist, but it’s not. So I like that they were doing a twist on that. But I prefer when someone doesn’t exist in a spy movie or this conversation never happened. That’s also pretty good.
Speaker 2 I love it that he like the main guy. What’s the I don’t know how to say his name. Reggie something. Whatever. He puts the file down. Down at the armrest and he’s he’s like, that’s what we have on him. And he opens it. So yeah. Yeah. Like yeah. Wow. It’s amazing.
Speaker 3 I don’t think we’ve have we had a chance to talk about under the armrest yet.
Speaker 1 Not really. I’m kind of mid on her. I don’t know her work very well as might be. The I may have seen her on other stuff. She was fine. She holds her own in this movie.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 1 But I wasn’t like oh my God. She gave us such a great performance. But it’s also she’s there to be a, she’s a side character.
Speaker 2 So yeah.
Speaker 1 She plays our part well. But I wasn’t like blown away. I do like, but I don’t know how to say his name Rosie G. John. Hey, I know that he was big in the first season of Bridgerton.
Speaker 2 And.
Speaker 1 Kind of in the Netflix world. He’s also awesome, and one of my other favorite great bad movies that we haven’t done, sir, which is Dungeons and Dragons. Yeah, Honor Among Thieves, which is legitimately another hilarious action comedy with a lot of heart to it. So yeah. But yeah. Dave, what do you think about on an drama?
Speaker 2 I have two trains of thought on Honor Darkness in this movie. That he is so static. Yeah. Is an incredible acting job by Ana de Armas because she is amazing. Yeah she is phenomenal. She is an incredible actor. She is beautiful and they make her so one dimensional vanilla in this movie that it’s, it’s almost admirable. Like wow I mean that she wears that suit and her hair and like, she looks it’s almost there.
Speaker 2 Like, how do we take this stunning young woman who’s a bond girl. And make her the least bond girl character that has ever been on screen. And I love her I love her I think she’s amazing and that they totally sideline her I think one train of thought I’m like what a waste. I mean the, the character is such a waste with her in that role.
Speaker 2 And the other is like wow. I mean they made you kind of forget this is honored Ramos. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 Which might say something about the Russo brothers. Honestly. Yeah.
Speaker 2 You know, which I don’t know if I like that or not. I don’t know.
Speaker 3 I don’t know, I think that, she was incredible in Knives Out with Chris Evans.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 3 I mean, just incredible. And when I was watching the action scenes in this movie, she’s pretty great. I mean, obviously we’re cutting to a stunt person quite a bit, but she was better in ghosted. Do you ever see that with Chris Evans?
Speaker 2 Oh, I loved that. It’s so good. Yeah.
Speaker 3 I think I like this movie more than ghosted, but I also think both of them lead up to ballerina really well. And she was really good in ballerina. I thought.
Speaker 2 I still have not seen ballerina.
Speaker 3 Oh David oh my gosh no.
Speaker 2 Sorry I just lost my card.
Speaker 1 I haven’t seen it either David. So you’re all right?
Speaker 2 Oh no.
Speaker 3 It’s classic. Len Wiseman director of I Live Free or Die Hard and Total Recall from 2012.
Speaker 2 Is still an Academy Award winner. She’s been nominated.
Speaker 1 It was nominated for blond, I think the one she did of, Marilyn Monroe. Marilyn, Marilyn Monroe. Yeah.
Speaker 2 Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 3 But I think we’re we’re hitting on something with the gray man. That is kind of how I feel when I watch it, which is there is so much talent around, there is so much money around and the studio that will let them do whatever they want. We’re missing some opportunities here or we’re not capturing what we could have with this many amazing people around.
Speaker 3 When I watched this movie, I kind of go, I just feel like I expected more. They would have captured Ana de Armas better. They would have, you know, given people more to do. And I don’t know why I’m approaching it that way, because there is a lot to love in this movie.
Speaker 2 So to me, this is why it’s the great art of a great bad movie is all of those people contribute. Oh yeah. When you talk about Wagner Moura, I mean, all of these people create the context for the two main characters, right? Yeah, they create that and the two main characters still. Yeah. And yeah. And all these other characters allow them to do it.
Speaker 2 And you have, you know, you couldn’t you probably could have spent $80 million less on the movie and not had Alfre Woodard. Yeah. Academy Award winner, you know. Yeah. We didn’t need Billy Bob Thornton. You didn’t need Wagner more. You didn’t need Ana de Armas, but that you have them. Yeah, I think it allows the two main characters to to stand that much taller.
Speaker 2 Am I, am I that’s. Yeah.
Speaker 1 Agreed. Yeah, I agree with that. And I.
Speaker 2 Think it’s a.
Speaker 1 Tight two hour movie that doesn’t feel too long for me. And I’m usually like an hour and a half and like, we should be done. Yeah, but this movie feels like the perfect length. You have enough breathing room, but really, the last hour of this movie is almost one long action scene. There’s a few breaths that you get to take throughout, but if you said, do you want to watch an action movie?
Speaker 1 And the last hour is some of the best action scenes you’ve ever seen? Yeah, I’m going to take that every single time. Oh, and it’s funny. You know, you have the trope of him talking when he’s like, and I had forgotten how funny this line is, where he gets stabbed by the nurse in that great hospital scene.
Speaker 2 And he’s like.
Speaker 1 Oh, he missed the liver and the spleen and mature like this. Like it’s the funniest way to, like, have that trope of like, the hero knowing that he didn’t hit an internal organ, which is like, we see that. So often in movies.
Speaker 2 Two of the funniest lines in the whole movie are in that scene, that line. And then there’s the he’s on the computer looking for like the pacemaker stuff and on. And Armas is like impatient. He just looks at her and he goes, it’s in all caps and it’s in Croatian. This is a process.
Speaker 1 And there’s like no shift or something like that.
Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. And that was it. And I stop that and watch that like four times and laughed out loud progressively more. And each time that was so funny and perfect.
Speaker 3 He had so many lines like that. And a lot of them were like ADR. They were like he added them afterwards.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 3 I love they just let Gosling be Gosling, honestly. Yeah.
Speaker 2 He’s so funny.
Speaker 1 I wonder how much of their him and even Chris Evans are like ad libbed there because there’s some line, there’s some moments of like when they first meet and like there’s the Lean’s Lloyd and then he like, pulls the grenade and he goes all the like, that’s, that’s for like.
Speaker 2 One.
Speaker 1 Perfect moment.
Speaker 3 Let’s listen to it. I’ve got that. I’ve got. Thank you. That let’s let’s do it. Come on.
Speaker 5 Man. Hey sunshine. You must be loyal. What gave it away? Go away. Pass the trash, dash. It’s just. It leans. Lloyd. We strive. Got here somewhere. I see he’s. I don’t. He’s here.
Speaker 3 And then we need to say that he has been pepper sprayed by Chris Evans. And he knows how to jump straight through a window, like there’s no question.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 3 How many people jump through windows in this movie, by the way?
Speaker 2 Oh yeah. Have you ever tried to jump through a window.
Speaker 3 Just on Christmas morning every year?
Speaker 2 Yes, yes. You can’t do it. I don’t think the three of us. I don’t think we’d be able to do it.
Speaker 3 There is one where somebody, like, jumps out a window, and I am 1,000% sure that there was no window there, and they added it later and post.
Speaker 2 Dennis. Yeah. In the hospital. Right. Yeah.
Speaker 3 It’s like if they did not make contact with anything as they were.
Speaker 2 Going through this window.
Speaker 3 This window frame. Amazing. Okay. So let’s celebrate Gosling’s line delivery. Here is him arguing with Ana de Armas. She’s upset that a gun that he has thrown her is lacking. Let’s hear it.
Speaker 4 You give me an empty gun.
Speaker 5 The shells were coming, okay? The shells were coming. You ran away. You need to say.
Speaker 4 Hey, wait. That’s empty. It’s assumed. I assumed it’s loaded, so I run after the guy.
Speaker 5 Who throws a loaded gun. I ask for loaded gun. No one throws a loaded weapon. Okay. Are you coming? Well, I’m going to bleed out. Well, we have this conversation. We just unpacked this somewhere else.
Speaker 3 Unpacked this somewhere else is one of those 80 yard lines.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 3 And then here’s the end. Chris Evans says, throw me your gun. He throws that it lands in the water.
Speaker 5 Cuz I meant with the bullets. Nobody throws a loaded gun, Lloyd. You know, I think we would have been friends, you and I. Aside from your childish sense of morality, an $8 haircut, we have a lot in common. It’s really a shame this isn’t going to work out between us.
Speaker 3 I really like that. They went, you and I, we’re not so different. Like we were going to be friends. Incredible.
Speaker 1 My favorite part in that fight scene, when they’re having their hand, the hand combat. And Lloyd has had his fingers blown off. And Ryan Gosling of the a mr. fingers.
Speaker 2 Lloyd just.
Speaker 1 He’s like, I’m getting used to it or something like that. It’s not a great no need for that at all in that moment, but it’s hilarious.
Speaker 2 My favorite is when he had the flare in his back. Yeah, yeah. And you know, in movies like they never get stopped by a flare and there’s no effect ever. It doesn’t affect him for the rest of the movie. Right? I love in this when he gets in the water and he’s like, oh, that scene.
Speaker 3 Did you guys see the Naked Gun movie this summer? Akiva Shaffer’s movie?
Speaker 2
Speaker 3 It’s amazing. I’m forgetting his name. Danny Houston. Oh, yeah. He’s the bad guy. And Liam Neeson punches him once in the stomach. He’s like, oh, wow, wow, wow wow.
Speaker 2 How that hurts.
Speaker 3 Oh, it’s like, of course that’s what everybody’s reactions should be to getting punched once.
Speaker 3 All right guys, well, is there anything else we need to say about this movie?
Speaker 2 Well, I was going to say this Chris Evans might be my favorite villain now in of any movie. And so if you’re talking about like, villains. Yeah. In movies, yeah, he is done to the top of my list is so ridiculous. He’s just so funny. Yeah. My favorite line maybe. And I’ve said it. I say it all the time, like personal.
Speaker 2 Ask me to do something, and I’m like, well, I’d rather you just punch me in the pants.
Speaker 3 I love it when an actor has worked with directors for, like a decade, and then they team up on something new, and there’s clearly a conversation of like, what do you want this to be? I’m thinking of like, Matt LeBlanc teamed up with the friends guys to make that show episodes on Showtime where he’s playing himself. But the friends guys are like writing him to be just like a horrible human being.
Speaker 3 And it is so funny. But it’s even funnier because of the history that they have. And I feel like that’s what’s happening here with the Russo brothers and Chris Evans. Like they’re clearly coming up with what would be the greatest bad guy, but also just super funny and something that he wasn’t able to do with with Captain America.
Speaker 3 He must have been bursting at the seams being Captain America.
Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, it feels like I want to do a character that’s the exact opposite of Captain America I am. He is the moral center of the Marvel Universe. You know, there’s kind of running jokes about it throughout, and he he’s got to play it so straight. And then this one, he just gets like, clearly looks like he’s having the time of his life in this movie.
Speaker 1 And he gets the best lines. I mean, I think Ryan Gosling might be funnier overall in this movie, but I think Chris Evans is given the better lines and he gives the line reads that are like, I want to see a blooper reel on this movie. Yeah, if it’s out there. The other thing that I want to say about this movie that I really appreciate is they just upped the ante again, come back to the Prague scene, which is one of the best action scenes I’ve ever seen in a movie.
Speaker 1 Yeah, it just like he’s captured by the police. He gets away, then he’s hit by a car. Could end right there, you know, whatever it is. And then handcuffed to a bench. Everyone’s coming. It could end right there, but no. Then they’re on the streetcar, and there’s literally a moment where, like, the street car bell rings and everyone just looks over there, and then, you know, you get the scene of him them coming over, and then he’s like laying down and shoots him.
Speaker 1 They have a great hand-to-hand scene on that. Yeah. Something I hadn’t seen where he’s like looking in the mirror on the window and shoots the guy from the top. Pretty good.
Speaker 3 Pretty good.
Speaker 1 You get the, you know, fast six where he jumps off the car and lands like.
Speaker 2 Something good.
Speaker 3 In the fast. I mean, there’s an amazing CGI close call that happens there where he’s on the hood and it, like, rolls right over him.
Speaker 1 Yeah, amazing. And then he has this moment after it where it’s like, give us a moment for the audience to breathe. I’m like, that was a crazy scene. And then he, like, takes a breath, walks away from there, gets it, and it just goes, thanks.
Speaker 2 And then they drive off.
Speaker 1 It’s perfect. I like yeah, I’m going to watch that scene after we’re done recording this episode. Yeah. Like that is how much I love that.
Speaker 2 Yeah, me too. Can you guys.
Speaker 3 Explain to me why the street car suddenly is, like, going really fast and crashing into traffic?
Speaker 1 No, I cannot explain.
Speaker 3 That. Just because that would be.
Speaker 2 Yeah. Why would we? Greg? Yeah.
Speaker 2 I mean, it was missing.
Speaker 1 There’s the scene where the driver of the street car gets shot and, like, falls onto the the gas.
Speaker 2 That’s the only thing that went missing.
Speaker 3 That’s in the deleted scenes, for sure.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 3 What if it was also the guy who played Toby on the West Wing, who was driving the train at the end of speed? Richard Schiff what if it’s Richard Schiff.
Speaker 1 If as long as there’s a jump out of like the tunnel at the end, but the close call, then I’m.
Speaker 2 In.
Speaker 3 Okay, guys, I am hesitant to even ask this question, but there is a Russo Brothers movie coming out in a couple months called Avengers Doom’s Day. Where do you guys stand on, Avengers Doomsday coming out in 2026?
Speaker 1 I’m kind of out on the Marvel world. I think I just got burned out like everybody else did. Yeah, doesn’t mean I won’t watch it. I will probably just be a little bit more critical of it.
Speaker 3 Kind of a Greg watching the Gray Man vibe.
Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 2 Okay.
Speaker 1 And maybe it’ll be great, but it feels like the end to me.
Speaker 3 It’s kind of a project. Hail Mary.
Speaker 2 Yeah, it feels like the Brady Bunch Christmas special.
Speaker 3 We were all thinking that or.
Speaker 2 Yeah, Gilligan’s Island and the Globetrotters, you know, like it’s over. We’re happy we ended it ended great. Yeah. Tony Stark, I mean, spoiler alert, right? Yeah. Tony Stark died, and that was an amazing ending. And yeah, I don’t mind these, like, secondary stories that come out of that, but yeah, yeah. Avengers doomsday I just don’t I love the Russo brothers.
Speaker 2 I just don’t trust their judgment. Yeah. And how much money they spend and what they do with it. I love them so much, but I feel like their decisions put all of their future movies in jeopardy. And I most care about the next three man movie. And if any of these movies, if they go into director jail because they spent too much money and, and don’t make it back and we never see the gray man two I’m going to be really disappointed.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 3 Yeah I agree.
Speaker 2 But I’ll watch it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 You know what I really I really love Black Widow and I love Thunderbolts. I think that thread of the Marvel world right now is the most promising in my mind.
Speaker 1 You know, again.
Speaker 3 I want to point out that this movie, The Gray Man, it hinges on everybody we’ve talked about, but also Julia Butters, who plays the niece. She is incredible. And anytime she is feeling anything, I’m right there. And I didn’t realize it until I was over. It was over that I, I was having real moments where I was like, oh my gosh, she probably makes this movie for me because that’s usually where movies kind of break down.
Speaker 3 But the Russo brothers seem to know how to cast kids.
Speaker 1 I remember the first time I watched it, I was kind of annoyed by the like. It felt like a long way to go with, The Peacemaker as the reason why they find, you know, the.
Speaker 2 DPS.
Speaker 1 Location.
Speaker 3 Sure.
Speaker 1 And now I love every scene that those two are in together. Yep. Just another Thursday or you can’t chew gum here.
Speaker 2 Right.
Speaker 1 And I think that’s what for great bad movies, what elevates them are the moments between the action. Like you can have a great action scenes, but you have those little moments where you like the characters and there’s like these little charming moments that they didn’t have to put in there. Could they could have cut it down to an hour and a half or hour and 45 minutes easily.
Speaker 1 Yeah. But then the movie is less, and I’m not rooting as hard as I am for Ryan Gosling at the end to save the day.
Speaker 2 So I think you nailed that. I think you nailed. That’s why I love this movie, because there there’s those moments. And maybe that’s the brilliance of the Russos is that’s what they do. They highlight, like that moment between Ana de Armas and and Denis and and they’re going to make a movie on and it’s like there’s pre-production going for oh.
Speaker 3 Wow.
Speaker 2 A spinoff for him, you know, and that character. But it humanizes this guy who could totally just be a terrible villain who is you don’t even think about ever again. Yeah, but he has that moment of being in I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 She’s down. He can. They’ve been fighting. He could totally take her out. And he just in earlier in the movie, he says, you’re going to kill a girl or something like.
Speaker 1 That, or a kid has a.
Speaker 3 Real moment, like, who are these people? You’re going to kill the kid. Yeah, yeah. And so that moment makes sense. I wish he had apologized. I feel like he kind of got her an apology.
Speaker 2 No, there’s no reconciliation. There’s this. Yeah, yeah, maybe was just in that line of what, where you just accept that, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 I wish there was some move that he had done. Where? Like, he hurt her shoulder or something, and he’d been like, I’m sorry I hurt your shoulder. Like I’m aware of what I just did. I’m not a monster.
Speaker 3 Well, maybe that’s too much. Maybe that’s too much. Yeah.
Speaker 1 So Chris Evans again, and we’ve talked about how many great lines he has in the final scene. He has when they’re like shooting at each other in the building. He goes.
Speaker 2 You’re making me destroy a historic building here. Just like who.
Speaker 1 Throws that into a movie?
Speaker 2 That’s what Lloyd cares about. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 And it is a beautiful historic building, wherever they are. I also did a.
Speaker 2 Quick.
Speaker 1 How far is Prague from Croatia? Yeah, MapQuest. It’s about eight hour drive. Even though in the in movie time it feels about like half hour, 45 minutes maybe from.
Speaker 2 Yeah. Where they are you accents. Yeah.
Speaker 3 Hobbs and Shaw would have started the sentence in Prague and finished it.
Speaker 2 Exactly.
Speaker 3 Up there.
Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, yeah. The Hobbs and Shaw travel logic in this movie is spectacular and ever present.
Speaker 3 Amazing. One less thing I want to say about this movie is the book came out in something like 2008, 2009. It was option to be a film in, I think, 2011. Director James Gray was attached to it. The actor that was originally attached to this movie was Brad Pitt. I mean, like right after Moneyball, the era that we were talking about last week and kind of like the beginning of his new heyday, this movie could have been a Brad Pitt movie.
Speaker 3 And I also read that later on, after Brad Pitt dropped out, Charlize Theron might have been attached to it as well.
Speaker 2 Atomic theory man.
Speaker 3 Oh yeah, I’m agree.
Speaker 2 Yeah, she would have been great. Oh, I heard Tom cruise was also attached to it early on. Oh, really? Yeah.
Speaker 3 Oh, interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 2 Okay. Now Brad Pitt I think would have been if he would have been funny in this. I think he could have been really funny. Yeah.
Speaker 1 Yeah. I think Brad Pitt would have been great in this. I don’t think of him as an action star like Ryan Gosling is necessarily or but Bullet Train. He is hilarious. Brad Pitt is great and oh, he has.
Speaker 2 I thought about that one. Yeah, he is funny.
Speaker 1 I haven’t seen Charlize Theron do a lot of comedy, but I’m assuming you see what she did the in the West one with the family Guy first, that Seth MacFarlane.
Speaker 2 Yeah. Hilarious. He’s amazing in that.
Speaker 1 Okay.
Speaker 2 Yeah. He was also great in that one where he’s the president.
Speaker 3 Long shot.
Speaker 2 Long shots. Oh my gosh, I love that movie.
Speaker 3 I love that movie so much. I think I’ve told the story on the podcast, but just in case I have it, my wife was in grad school when that movie came out, and that was like a perfect movie for us to go out on a date, see, and I went to go see it. She was studying, so I just went to a movie and I got home, and I felt guilty that I had seen this movie without her.
Speaker 3 And so, you know, she’s reading her book. When I got in studying, you know, how is the movie? And I said, I honestly feel a little bit bad that I saw this without you. It’s a perfect movie. So when it comes out on video, like, we will for sure rent it like the minute we can and we’ll watch it.
Speaker 3 Hobbs. Like, great. So the day it comes out, I rent it. We sit down on the couch to watch it, and three minutes into the movie, she puts her hand on my leg and says, Is Seth Rogen in this entire movie?
Speaker 3 And she’s like, there’s just something about him. I just don’t. I don’t love him. And I was like, well, maybe I had it wrong.
Speaker 2 Because he is.
Speaker 3 In this entire movie.
Speaker 2 I was like, I can smell his bio from here.
Speaker 3 Joe, it occurs to me that there’s a chance that some people listening to this have no idea what we’re talking about, and I feel like we should probably give him a heads up of what this movie is about. So let’s pretend the you’re walking through Blockbuster Video in Bend, Oregon, the last one on the planet, walking down the aisles, you’re trying to figure out, what movie am I going to rent tonight?
Speaker 3 And you’re picking up the boxes off the shelf. You pick up a box that says The Gray Man. You turn it around, and you look at the back to see if it’s the movie you should rent. That’s right. It’s time for the back of the box.
Speaker 1 It’s the back of the box. For our dear listeners, this is an infamous movie because we have we referenced the original that we did a long time ago on this. So I’m actually going to give you two back to backs of the boxes. This is the one that I wrote today for this episode, but I will read you the one that we did not release from the first time after it.
Speaker 1 So back of the box starts in a world of intrigue that is played in the shadows. The CIA works in the gray to keep the world safe. When a drive containing the illegal activities of those in power becomes available on the black market, there’s a mad scramble to get possession of it. The action falls from the skies of Austria, spills into the streets of Prague and to the coasts of Croatia, all leading to an emotional and explosive conclusion that no one sees coming.
Speaker 1 Wow, that’s my first back of the box.
Speaker 2 Wow.
Speaker 3 There’s like some real tension in that one.
Speaker 2 Yeah, I’m renting that.
Speaker 3 Yeah, I think I rented.
Speaker 1 My first back of the box is a little better, I think, because I have a little bit of a better play at the end of this, but that’s my opinion. So. Okay. Ryan Gosling plays Sierra six, the last of a covert operations team, one that has been put out to pasture when his mentor’s nieces kidnaped his leverage. Six goes on a rampage to save her.
Speaker 1 Standing in his way is Lloyd Hansen Chris Evans, a brutal private contractor who will stop at nothing to get six. When these two collide, there will be blood strap in for an action packed thrill ride that goes from gray to living color.
Speaker 2 Wow, I love it.
Speaker 1 But maybe, through our Instagram at Great Bad Movie Show. Or you can email us what was your favorite back of the box of of those.
Speaker 2 So it’s like Sophie’s Choice.
Speaker 3 It is like a Sophie’s Choice. Yeah, but Joe, those were very benign. I know you have a lot of feelings about this movie that you have been very explicit about sharing throughout the entire history of this show, so I am very excited for what’s about to happen. It’s time for us to go on down to honest. Let’s you’re just guy Tucker’s real back in the box.
Speaker 2 All right.
Speaker 1 So this is a near perfect action movie. I love it more each time I watch it. Ryan Gosling and Chris Evans are amazing foils for each other, and their comic timing and onscreen chemistry are a joy to watch. This movie blends a legitimately funny script with top notch action scenes and a fun plot to hate rarely seen. It is in the conversation for top three greatest bad movies ever.
Speaker 3 Wow. Incredible. I can tell that you took that one very seriously, I did. I like the Brennan Sierra six on the back of the box back there. We met Sierra for kind of like double of seven meeting double or nine. What you guys think of Sierra for? He seemed like a pretty good hang. I kind of wished he was around more.
Speaker 2 I thought he was awesome, I liked.
Speaker 3 Him, no way. We need to hate on for.
Speaker 2 For that backstory.
Speaker 3 I know, I know, it’s totally all right. Well, guys, should we get to the box office and critical reception of this movie?
Speaker 2 Let’s do it.
Speaker 3 This movie cost $200 million, and it did come out in theaters for a limited run. I think it was something like 400 screens for a week before it hit Netflix. And it’s it’s a little tough to get numbers for that. We know that internationally it made half $1 million. We don’t know what it made in America for some reason.
Speaker 3 So this is a bit of an interesting conversation. Kind of like F1 was where, you know, Netflix’s goal is to make movies, to make entertainment, but their driver is really to keep and grow their subscriber base, not to get people to a theater. So it’s a little bit of a different business model. Amazon makes movies so that people buy socks.
Speaker 3 Apple makes movies so that, you know, people continue buying their their devices. What do you think of this movie costing $200 million and basically having no return, other than some kind of subscriber base?
Speaker 2 I think looking at what Netflix gave the Russo brothers for their next movie gives us a little bit of an idea of how valuable of a product this was for Netflix, right?
Speaker 3 It was like 350 is what you said.
Speaker 2 Yeah, I think three 4350 something around there. Yeah. So I don’t think this made a dime in their estimation under $400 million. Yeah.
Speaker 1 Clearly if they’re looking at making a second one, having a spin off for one of the characters and gave the Russo brothers, as you say, $350 million to make a movie, it must have made a return. And then some for them. However, they count that whether that’s streams times, new memberships, times, whatever, there’s got to be a formula.
Speaker 1 And this is also this is more just like my plea to the movie industry. I know we hear about this movie made $300 million and it’s opening weekend and that would make, you know, made for this much. Yeah. I’d like to also know how many people watch the movie, because that’s a more apples to apples comparison of like sure.
Speaker 1 Like, oh, well, ticket prices now are 20 to $25.
Speaker 3 Imax.
Speaker 1 Right? Yeah. When we were kids, you know, we were watching movies for $10. It’s like, tell me how many people watch this movie?
Speaker 3 Okay, well, here’s what we know about this movie. As far as, viewership goes, the total views as of March 2026 is 139.3 million. And I don’t know how much of the movie you have to watch to kind of you, in this time, they’ve they’ve kind of changed that throughout history. The hours viewed is 299.5 million hours watched.
Speaker 1 Okay. But what is it? When do you take David and I out of that equation for it?
Speaker 3 Just as.
Speaker 2 You say. Half of that is probably me and Joe. Yeah.
Speaker 3 It earned 88.55 million global viewership hours in its first three days, making it the most watched film in 84 countries during its opening week. It has the fifth best movie debut in Netflix history. Can you think of what is ahead of it there for movies ahead of it? Extraction no.
Speaker 2 Six underground.
Speaker 1 Is that a Millie Bobby Brown movie?
Speaker 3 It is nuts. But wait, was she? And don’t look.
Speaker 2 Up.
Speaker 1 No, no, I don’t think so.
Speaker 2 Don’t look up.
Speaker 3 David. It’s just cooking with gas right now. Amazing. Don’t look up red notice.
Speaker 2 Oh, yes.
Speaker 3 I totally watched that that weekend.
Speaker 2 Thanksgiving weekend. So great. I love that movie.
Speaker 3 The Adam Project.
Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1 Okay. Had the good movie.
Speaker 2 And The.
Speaker 3 Kissing Booth three. Never heard of it. Well, it’s not in my algorithm.
Speaker 2 Is Ryan Reynolds in that one too?
Speaker 3 I don’t know, but it sounds like it was probably better than kissing Booth one and two.
Speaker 1 Probably I did. I made the mistake of seeing kissing Booth four, so I need to go back and watch three so that that makes sense now.
Speaker 3 Yeah, well, no, it was a prequel. I think you’re good. I think in the timeline you started that one.
Speaker 2 Right. Okay.
Speaker 1 That’s that’s the original.
Speaker 2 As isn’t it, Ryan Reynolds in two of those, I think.
Speaker 3 He was he played the kissing Booth.
Speaker 2 Red notice. Yeah. And the Adam Project.
Speaker 3 Oh, right. And the Adam Project. Yeah. We’ll definitely get to Red notice at some point.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 3 Because if you’re wondering who loves those movies, it is it is this podcast.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 3 So let’s talk about the Rotten Tomatoes score of this movie. We have 276 reviews from critics out there. Joe Tucker, what do you think the critics.
Speaker 2 Score.
Speaker 3 On Rotten Tomatoes? As for the Gray Man.
Speaker 1 I mean, it feels like a 70.
Speaker 3 It really does, right?
Speaker 1 The problem I’m running into right now is that I love this movie so much that I’m like, yeah, totally biased. Sorry. I think it’s like a 7373.
Speaker 3 How about you, David?
Speaker 2 64. It’s a.
Speaker 3 45%.
Speaker 2 What the f?
Speaker 1 Yeah, is wrong with people.
Speaker 3 276 reviews. That’s a lot of critics. I’ve spent some time with this movie. Okay, but let’s talk about the popcorn meter. Now. 100 plus, people have rated this movie.
Speaker 3 This is an important point that we haven’t talked about on this. On this episode. I don’t know anybody who has seen this movie. We talk about everybody on the planet watches Netflix movies. I don’t know anyone other than like us and like 2 or 3 other people who have seen extraction. I don’t know anyone who has watched the game his besides you guys and me.
Speaker 3 Anyways, what do you think that number is?
Speaker 1 I’m going to go with a 60, but I have no confidence in this number anymore. David, I have no confidence in the world right now. I’m shaken.
Speaker 2 Here’s my logic. I think if you’ve watched this movie, you’re in a different category of a person. Yes. So I think this is a 77.
Speaker 3 This is a 90% movie according to the popcorn. You.
Speaker 2 Oh no.
Speaker 3 But again, I don’t I don’t think we’ve watched a movie that has that few ratings on Rotten Tomatoes from the audience. I don’t know what is happening.
Speaker 1 That’s pretty crazy.
Speaker 2 I love that I agree with them.
Speaker 1 Yeah. Me too.
Speaker 3 Yeah, the 90% and yep. Totally.
Speaker 2 Yeah. Feels like 90%.
Speaker 3 It feels like a 90s. I agree man.
Speaker 3 David Hellgren, the inventor of the 70% joke, feels like a 70.
Speaker 2 Yeah, I would love this movie no less if it were 70%. No, that it’s 90 is just gravy. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 All right guys, let’s get to what some of the critics said about this movie, the New York Magazine. Oh, and David, we have a new award. The new name for this podcast award can be given at any moment to somebody while I read these, Alison Willmore from New York magazine says something perfectly serviceable to live on in the background while noodling on your phone.
Speaker 3 And I mean that as a compliment, something perfectly serviceable. It feels like a pretty good potential name for this.
Speaker 1 Pretty dead on for this award.
Speaker 3 Kevin Meyer from The Times UK. Now we have a history with this guy. He is notoriously hot or cold on movies, and so we’re going to find out how he felt about this one, he says. A gloriously brainless action spectacular. Four out of five stars nailed it. Gloriously brainless action spectacular. Also pretty solid name for this podcast.
Speaker 1 Yeah, very.
Speaker 3 Solid. Adam Kempner from my very first favorite podcast, which is called Film Spotting and Chicago. He says the most glam dad enjoys while folding laundry movie ever.
Speaker 2 Oh oh my gosh. Yeah, he’s been watching me.
Speaker 3 You are being more productive than I am. Only watch this movie. John Anderson for the Wall Street Journal says for all the overkill, the gray Man is big, loud fun. Mr. Gosling is hip to what’s going on. Mr. Evans gets to gobble up the scenery, and even if the elements are hackneyed, they’re not clumsy. I think that’s a pretty good review of this movie.
Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 Mike LaSalle of the San Francisco Chronicle says wait and catch on Netflix. Two out of four stars.
Speaker 2 So, I think.
Speaker 1 You missed a memo on on who produced this movie.
Speaker 3 I’m sorry. His name is MC. Makes me get this whole life people calling on me. That was MC LaSalle. We’ll go out on this one. Ali Richards from Time Out says it’s like a Fast and Furious movie, only with better dialog and stronger actors delivering it. Four out of five stars can’t disagree. No. Yeah, totally nailed it.
Speaker 3 Yeah. All right, guys, it is time for us to get some drinking games.
Speaker 1 I am so ready. I have so many. I’m just mourning in our. But we’ll start with our stop drinking games, which almost all of them are. It’s almost easier to talk about what isn’t used in this one. But again, it doesn’t have to be alcohol. It could be milk, it could be water, it could be soda. Who knows?
Speaker 1 All right, Silent Helicopter, you don’t have a silent helicopter. But we have a helicopter exploding for dramatic effect late in this movie. Just for you, Greg. I feel like that. Yeah. There’s no need for the helicopter. The like get the bird in the air. Hit with a surface to air missile. Instantaneously blows up. Yeah, into a beautiful place in Croatia.
Speaker 3 So you say. No need. I will disagree and push back and say there was every need for that. Okay, fair. That moment fair. But there is also that scene where after some dramatic things happen, a helicopter takes off in almost virtual silence with dramatic music playing.
Speaker 1 And so quickly it is in the air. And like he says, get the bird in the air and it’s in the air in two seconds. It’s great. We definitely have a push in and enhance when they are looking through the file. That is kind of the driver of the plot that’s also sells the bad guy a little bit in there.
Speaker 1 And then there are a few other scenes where you have them looking through computers at files. When two people share a slow motion look in the middle of chaos a couple times. But during the big action scene in this town square, there’s a lot of slow motion looks that. Yeah, on an enormous and Ryan Gosling share with each other.
Speaker 3 A lot of slow motion in general in this movie.
Speaker 2 Yes.
Speaker 1 Explosion, silent suffering, ringing in the ears in the house where Alfred what it is they they have a hand grenades coming through the window. They go off and then there’s a beautiful. All the sound goes out. It’s awesome.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 1 Opening credits. Scene title locks in place with the sound that there is a little bit in the score. It’s not as, pronounced as some of our favorites, but does it flashback the dialog? Two minutes ago? This is where Shea Whigham.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 1 Shine.
Speaker 3 Shines.
Speaker 1 Yeah, we get to see him being just a terrible father. Seems like.
Speaker 3 Yeah, kind of a rough dad if I was hearing him, right. Yeah. No.
Speaker 1 I’m probably not going to win father of the year, man. Crazy CGI all over this movie, quite frankly. Great bad shots also all over this movie. How what are the streets in Prague, you asked?
Speaker 2 So what?
Speaker 1 I’m glad you asked.
Speaker 2
Speaker 1 I also think in the final action scene when he’s running up, like in the most non sneaky way as a machine gun is just missing her. She’s running down the driveway. I think it is also wet there. We do not have a give us the room or Interpol, but we do have a cell phone smash where he they’re in the car.
Speaker 2 And he.
Speaker 1 Throws Billy Bob Thornton his phone out the window or out the door, which is just another hilarious moment. And that. So those are our stop drinking games. I’m going to toss that to you, David, to give us our first drinking game that you came up with.
Speaker 2 Any time anyone rides public or mass transit in any way.
Speaker 1 I love that airplane.
Speaker 2 Trams from a.
Speaker 1 Train.
Speaker 2 Train? Yeah. Okay. You got to be here to be taking a drink.
Speaker 1 They’re awesome, I love it. What about you, Greg?
Speaker 3 Anytime. Chris Evans smiles. Take a drink.
Speaker 1 I am going to, to follow on your that your Chris Evans. And I’m going to say any time Chris Evans gives one of his, like, exaggerated line reads, take a drink because it’s wow he. Yeah, he does it quite frequently, but he nails it every time.
Speaker 2 Any time Chris Evans is talking on his cell phone.
Speaker 3 Solid. That’s really good.
Speaker 2 Yes. That’s awesome.
Speaker 3 I’ve got anytime Ryan Gosling groans.
Speaker 2 Oh, he.
Speaker 1 Groans. Will have to drink some water with that one.
Speaker 2 Yeah you.
Speaker 1 I have anytime Ryan Gosling ask that some of the 42 regular take a bow multiple times.
Speaker 2 Love that I have. Anytime someone gets on or off an airplane.
Speaker 3 Great. That’s amazing. Anytime someone runs out of a window, take a drink.
Speaker 2
Speaker 3 I think that’s my favorite one.
Speaker 2 That’s.
Speaker 1 Might be, I have every time there’s a location change with big lettering.
Speaker 3 Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 I haven’t had that one, too.
Speaker 3 Oh, okay. So take three drinks.
Speaker 2 That’s for all three of us.
Speaker 1 Yeah. Finish your drink. If you’re. If you’re near the end on that one.
Speaker 2 Yeah. Anytime they talk about going to Harvard. Oh.
Speaker 3 Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 1 That is so good.
Speaker 3 Anytime there’s a drone shot.
Speaker 1 Take it. I have that one, too. I have okay, swooping drones I have every time there’s a soul song or a song that plays before or during an action scene, take a drink.
Speaker 3 Lots of vinyl in this movie, lots of soul music. But then there’s also just the bleachers, seven inch. And I love the bleachers, so I love that that happened. But I was like, why is there bleachers on there? That’s weird.
Speaker 1 Awesome. David, what? Do you have any more for us?
Speaker 2 Any time there’s any use of medical equipment?
Speaker 3 I have anytime a character winks in this movie, you take a drink.
Speaker 1 I have that too. I have every.
Speaker 2 Time.
Speaker 1 Ryan Gosling winks at the girl on this.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 1 I have anytime he says just another Thursday. Take a drink.
Speaker 3 I have too. That’s great.
Speaker 2 Yeah, I went to. Yeah. Oh, great. Anytime. Ana de Armas gets annoyed with Ryan Gosling.
Speaker 1 That’s another one where you might want. Need some water handy for that. He’s pretty annoyed with them for most of this movie I have.
Speaker 3 Anytime Ryan Gosling asks about a clothing size, so mine is a little bit more global than yours.
Speaker 1 Nice. I have any time that there is a grenade used as a plot point, because it’s multiple times. They use grenades very well in this movie.
Speaker 3 I’m out. What else do you have?
Speaker 1 Do I have any time that the is referred to as, his to meal friend.
Speaker 2 That you drink?
Speaker 1 I have every time Claire puts on earplugs take a drink.
Speaker 2 Yep.
Speaker 1 Anytime a gun is thrown, take a drink. And then every time Chris Evans is drinking like alcohol, take a drink. And when they’re in the command center he’s always got a drink with him. Any more David that you think of?
Speaker 2 No, no, those are those were amazing. I love that.
Speaker 3 All right, that means it’s time for Jo’s trope lightning round, aka signs. You might be watching a great bad movie.
Speaker 1 I have added five more tropes based solely on this movie, but I will also reference a few others that we’ve seen this. So anytime someone is shot in the stomach. But then they reveal that later on as a plot point aka in Skyfall.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 1 AKA Billy Bob Thornton in this movie.
Speaker 2 Yes.
Speaker 1 Anytime you have camp body sensors as you’re watching an action scene and they go flatline.
Speaker 3 This is why we have to watch Jurassic World, because that totally happens with that.
Speaker 2 Movie. Oh, totally. Yeah.
Speaker 1 Anytime someone busts a gas line to blow up something. Yeah, that’s a new trope.
Speaker 3 Yeah, that’s.
Speaker 2 Good.
Speaker 1 Talk of being stabbed and missing vital organs. Also new trope and gun and the fancy box with foam. So those are the five new tropes for this.
Speaker 2 Okay.
Speaker 1 We also have, kind of out of the shadow into the light with the Danny Carmichael character and the, oh, his opening shots where he’s not seen. And they kind of come forward. It’s kind of a reverse because of his character being so bad. And that’s the name of the movie said by a character, the Gray Man. I think Ryan Gosling is referred to it as one, or the Sierra program is referred to as that.
Speaker 1 Yeah. A car chase in another country where they drive through a street market. So in Prague they do drive through the street market. A fire extinguisher used on the plane fight doesn’t explode. So it’s not quite that you also have someone is punched in the face and smiles. So in their last fight between Chris Evans and Ryan Gosling, Chris Evans is punched and they kind of have the kind of laughs before they continue jumping into the water, where the sound disappears when they jump off the building in Croatia, color filters everywhere in the different countries they’re in.
Speaker 1 He’s the best at something. Revenge is the driver of the protagonist. Kind of an odd couple with him in the Army, we have a great charismatic bad guy with Chris Evans, and we kind of do have the henchmen who are allowed to hurt the good guy and the good girl in this. So there are a lot of henchmen that just get wiped out.
Speaker 1 But then we have Danish and we have Chris Evans, and we have a few other people that can actually inflict some some damage. We do have a duffel bag full of guns, right? As they’re entering the compound, we have amazing recovery time. We have medical care and a vet’s office.
Speaker 1 We have finding clothes that fit perfectly, aka a 42 regular and checking if a gun is loaded. So it is a rope heavy hack here. It is not so much a lightning round as it is a trope. Doctor Zhivago in this place, for that.
Speaker 3 Is hundred percent. All right. Well, this is all been great, guys, but I feel like we’ve been kind of avoiding the elephant in the room here. And so I’ve had it. I think it’s time for us to get to some important questions.
Speaker 2 Let’s do.
Speaker 1 It.
Speaker 3 David, you and I watched this movie the weekend it came out. Did it hold up then? Absolutely, yes. Okay, Joe, what do you think?
Speaker 1 I agree and held up. Not as much the first time I watched it.
Speaker 3 Repeated viewings are rewarded on this one. I feel that way.
Speaker 1 Absolutely.
Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. Okay, so that might answer our second question. Does it hold up now.
Speaker 1 Even better. Yeah. Even even.
Speaker 2 Better. Yeah. If they release this movie next week it would double what it performed when it was released.
Speaker 3 Release a director’s cut in Imax today.
Speaker 2 Today. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 1 What is stopping?
Speaker 2 Imagine if with this task, they said we’re releasing The Gray Man with Chris Evans. Ryan Gosling. If they said that, it would be the biggest movie in the last ten years. Yep yep yep.
Speaker 3 I don’t think anyone disagrees with you here, guys. How hard do they sell the good guy in this movie with words pretty hard. Yeah, like he just they keep saying stuff like he just happens to be really good or like, the best we’ve seen.
Speaker 1 Or everyone else flamed out in the Sierra program. But he is still here.
Speaker 2 Yeah. Greatest assassin of all time. Like, I.
Speaker 3 Think it’s pretty good selling point.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 3 How hard do they sell the bad guy in this movie?
Speaker 2 Equally yeah.
Speaker 1 Equally hard. This is not a good guy in.
Speaker 2 This highest priced bad guy I’ve ever seen. Okay.
Speaker 3 Here’s what it sounds like when they sell the bad guy.
Speaker 5 You’ve been well enough to check him out lately. I.
Speaker 5 You get in.
Speaker 4 Oh, I get in. Looks like Sierra for got his hands on Danny Carmichael’s dirty laundry assassination, torture, bombings. All unsanctioned with no regard for collateral damage. This is why Carmichael pushed me and Fitz out. This is why you are on a ledge. Six. He’s using the agency as his own personal hit squad. Once it getting out of all of this.
Speaker 4 This is shadow government stuff. Which lot of it is above Carmichael’s pay grade. Guardian angel. At least one pushing him up the ladder. Cover his tracks. Somebody very powerful is pulling the strings.
Speaker 3 Wow. So it’s not just him. This goes all the way to the top, guys.
Speaker 2 Upper than the top.
Speaker 1 I’m adding a new trope as we speak. Anytime someone says shadow government in a movie.
Speaker 3 Even better if it’s shadow government stuff.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 2 Which that could be drinking game two. Every time anyone referred to Lloyd Hanson as a psychopath. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1 Totally. Oh, that would be a perfect one.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 3 Joe, why is there romance in this movie?
Speaker 1 It’s one of the most glorious things about this movie. There’s no romance at all.
Speaker 3 Incredible, incredible. Just perfect for you.
Speaker 1 It’s not romance, but you could make a case that the relationship between Ryan Gosling and Claire in that is the not the romance, but is the heart of the movie.
Speaker 2 Like, yeah.
Speaker 1 Yeah, she has saved him in some way. They have a bond. And I would say that that is one of the drivers of the of this and the driver of of Ryan Gosling’s character more than anything else is, is to save Claire.
Speaker 3 And that’s better for you than romance.
Speaker 2 Yeah. Okay. Okay. Way more authentic, I agree. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Okay.
Speaker 3 So follow up question to that. Are we bad people for loving this movie?
Speaker 1 Probably David and I are. You might have like a slight pass.
Speaker 3 Yeah I’ve got it out.
Speaker 1 Yeah you’ve got it out. But I don’t know. David, what do you think about this?
Speaker 2 The unequivocal support we give this movie, make this bad because, yeah.
Speaker 1 I. Yeah, it’s hard to for me to make a case.
Speaker 3 When I’m judging you guys so hard right.
Speaker 2 Now. Yeah. How much I love Lloyd Hanson. Yeah, yeah. Damn.
Speaker 1 Dammit. Yeah. I might have to watch this movie start to finish after this episode.
Speaker 2 Honestly, unofficially.
Speaker 3 I think everybody should.
Speaker 2 Know.
Speaker 3 David, does the Gray Man deserve a sequel?
Speaker 2 I think Mark Raney has written 14 books. Yeah, so I believe it deserves 13 sequels.
Speaker 3 No, I think it’s 15. I think it’s 15 books.
Speaker 2 Total, isn’t it? So 14 more I 14 more. I will renew my Netflix. Yes, I need to.
Speaker 3 Otherwise you’re out.
Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. Oh is I’m going to MGM plus.
Speaker 3 Joe I, I’m assuming you agree. I agree with that 100% agree. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 1 I will watch every sequel that is made.
Speaker 3 Okay. But even more important question for you, Joe, does it deserve a prequel?
Speaker 1 Deserve is a strong word. Yeah, I would watch as a prequel.
Speaker 2 Okay.
Speaker 1 But what I am more interested in, it sounds like there is one are like side quests movie being like the nurse and spinoff I will watch all day long, but I think that there would be fertile ground for the early days of the Sierra program. Movies. Totally. So I’m standing on the fence, but I’m leaning towards yes, we can have prequels for this.
Speaker 1 Okay, what about you, David?
Speaker 2 100% part of the books are. So we picked up Sierra six after he’s been disavowed by the CIA, and he’s his own entity. He’s he’s run by, Billy Bob Thornton as a separate entity, but he has a full career as a CIA assassin. Oh, wow. So I’m all in for that prequel. Okay, so.
Speaker 3 At the very least, I want to get more about Sierra for.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 3 One through three five, they all get an eight season series as far as I’m concerned. All right, Joe, should the Gray Man have been nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars 2022?
Speaker 1 You say what was nominated against it?
Speaker 3 Top Gun Maverick.
Speaker 1 Okay. Got off to a good start.
Speaker 2 So yes.
Speaker 3 Women talking.
Speaker 2 Okay.
Speaker 3 The Banshees of Inisherin.
Speaker 1 It’s great movie.
Speaker 3 Triangle of Sadness. Which I feel like would have been another name for F1. Yeah, or at least the F1. The the cocktail could have been.
Speaker 2 Called.
Speaker 3 Triangle of Sadness.
Speaker 2 I don’t know.
Speaker 1 The moment that’s going to surpass.
Speaker 2 That great ever. So that’s the greatest quote on this podcast ever.
Speaker 3 It’s everything everywhere all at once. Which was the winner obviously The Fabelmans, which I haven’t seen, but it’s feel very. So I’m going to let it I’m going to let it stay all quiet on the Western Front. Avatar the Way of Water. Where do you stand on that movie, Joe.
Speaker 1 I would throw that in the garbage right the second and put the gray man in there instantaneously. So.
Speaker 2 Okay.
Speaker 3 And then we’ve got Tara and Elvis as well. What do you think, David? Should it have been nominated for Best Picture?
Speaker 2 Yeah. Avatar gone. Yeah. Okay. Okay okay. All right guys.
Speaker 3 Important question. How can the gray man be fixed? AKA who should be in the remake?
Speaker 1 I’m going to start this movie. It’s perfect. No notes.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 1 We don’t need to change anything.
Speaker 2 I’ll say whatever was on the cutting room floor. Bring it back. And I’m in for two hours and 30 minutes. Yeah.
Speaker 1 I changed my answer to David’s.
Speaker 2 Okay.
Speaker 1 Before you go can I give him what I think your answer is going to be sure.
Speaker 3 Yeah. Do it.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 1 I think you want Tony Scott to direct. We want Brad Pitt in the lead who kind of want to recreate spy game. So you want to bring in Robert Redford in the Billy Bob Thornton character?
Speaker 3 Levitz. That’s a good idea.
Speaker 1 And I’m trying to think of the Lloyd Hansen character.
Speaker 3 I might need to stop you because this is getting better than my answer.
Speaker 2 Keep going, keep going.
Speaker 1 Actually, I think I want Brad Pitt in the Lloyd Hansen role. I want him to be the bad guy.
Speaker 3 The bad guy. That’s a good idea. Yeah.
Speaker 1 And I’m trying to think of who would be a good foil for him. I will go Bad Bunny aka from his role in and Bullet Train.
Speaker 3 So I thought you’re going to say Happy Gilmore to.
Speaker 2 Yeah. Oh my God.
Speaker 1 All right. How are you making this movie better Greg okay.
Speaker 3 So all of those all in.
Speaker 2 Yes okay.
Speaker 3 Also, I think it needs more winks. There was a lot of winking. I think they could have gone more than $200 million. I think they can afford more winks in this movie.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 3 Well, like I’ve said in the past, I think this movie put a lot of money in the wrong place. You know, the cast, the crew, the story, the effects, they’re all incredible. I feel like they leave a little bit. They leave me one thing. I don’t think the Russo brothers were the right call. I think we need a different director, and I’ll get to that in a minute.
Speaker 3 So I really just have, besides more winks. I really just have one other idea. And it is, you know, how at the end of this movie, they’re kind of like, inside the house, and then they kind of slowly make their way out. And so the, the final battle happens by that fountain. I think it should that should happen in reverse.
Speaker 3 So the whole movie is the same. The cast is the same. I love the cast of this movie, but they start that scene outside the house. Action, action, action. And they keep kind of barreling into the house deeper and deeper until the cast is like stuck in the bottom caves below the mansion castle kind of stuff. Okay, cut to a completely different scene.
Speaker 3 We’re on top of a mountain top. There’s a cabin. We have a shot of a door, and a hand kind of reaches into the shot and knocks on the door. We see that the person with his hand has a very nice suit on. We wait for a second, the door opens and it’s Chris Hemsworth opens the door. Tyler Rake from the extraction series.
Speaker 3 We cut to the other direction. It’s Idris Elba. We realize we’re in the last scene of extraction two at the end of that movie, Idris Elba says, I have a job that comes with a catch. You can’t do it alone. You have to do it with someone else. That’s how the movie ends, right? We keep going with the scene.
Speaker 3 Chris Hemsworth says, well, who’s that other person? Idris Elba, pointing two thumbs of his cell at himself, goes, this guy. We cut back to the gray man. We’re in the lower chambers of that mansion. Then we cut back outside. We have a 20 minute continuous shot of Hemsworth and Idris Elba entering the compound, making their way all the way down to the deep recesses of this compound.
Speaker 3 They knock on the door, they open up the door. It’s like the whole cast of the Gray Man. They go with, Chris Hemsworth and Idris Elba, and then there’s a 45 minute single shot of them escaping the compound. This movie is now officially the third extraction movie, and it’s called The Great Extraction, and it is directed by Sam Hargrave.
Speaker 1 I’m in. You had me at, 45 minutes. Single shot. No, no, it’s I’m watching that every day of the week, so.
Speaker 2 Okay.
Speaker 3 Great. All right, guys, very important question. What album is this? David?
Speaker 2 Boy, this is the Beatles white album. Wow, wow.
Speaker 3 I love it. Make your case. Why is it the Beatles white album?
Speaker 2 It could be the greatest bad movie of all time. Well, are you up for it? It is a virtuoso ensemble of talent and lyrics. There’s innovation. It. It’s amazing. I love it. And you have John Lennon and Paul McCartney. Yeah. Right there.
Speaker 3 Oh, that’s a good point. Yeah, yeah. Two actors who should be together in every movie.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 1 It’s going to be hard to top that album.
Speaker 2 Yeah I brought out the big gun on that.
Speaker 1 Yeah I also went for one of the big guns. I went for an album that is got a sense of humor about it.
Speaker 2 Is.
Speaker 1 Also an amazing album, better than what had come before it from this group?
Speaker 2 Yep.
Speaker 1 And this is to me, the Beastie Boys. Ill communication.
Speaker 2 Wow. Oh my gosh guys. That was going to be my second. I seriously was thinking the Beastie Boys. So we’re on the same track. Yeah.
Speaker 3 That’s incredible.
Speaker 1 All right Greg what do you got? Take us home on that on the album.
Speaker 3 Okay. Well, as I was saying, like the first time I watched this, I was kind of like, okay, I don’t know, I like their previous work. I like their other work better. And then it’s grown on me. But it also had a massive budget and was a really big deal. The album that is The Gray Man for me is Jay-Z’s blueprint three, which is a record that came out and it was just like the biggest deal that he had done, the third blueprint, and I just didn’t really like it.
Speaker 3 And I was sitting playing poker with friend and future guest on the show Just Tune. And I said, I listen to it, I don’t know, I really wasn’t into it. And she looked at me and like, took a minute, like, really? And she just said, I think you should listen to it again. I was like, okay, I guess I will just tune is really good taste in music.
Speaker 3 I think I’m gonna listen to it again. And I totally loved it. And I really love that album. It is incredible. And I just, I just need to just tune in like, you know, take a beat and be like, I think you should check that one out again. It’s really good. So you guys are the best tune in my life for the Gray Man and I love it.
Speaker 3 It’s amazing. So thank you for that. I can’t wait till the fourth and fifth time I watch it.
Speaker 1 Yeah, when we watch with you.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 1 Four times in a row.
Speaker 2 Absolutely. Totally.
Speaker 3 Yeah, totally. All right, guys, it’s all come down to this. Let’s rate this movie. I don’t think I’m going to get the scale because I think I know what you’re gonna say. What do you have there, David?
Speaker 2 Greatest bad movie I’ve ever watched. Wow.
Speaker 3 Basically the 78%. You’re giving the Golden Helicopter award early in the year. Okay, yeah. Okay.
Speaker 1 I’m right there with David. This is a great bad movie. There is no others there. I can’t even I can’t even I just can’t even with the rest of this game.
Speaker 3 I always say great bad movie. So I’m going to say good bad movie since I do have some lukewarm feelings just to round out the team.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 1 I want to say so. Here was my.
Speaker 2 List.
Speaker 1 Of the movies we have done on this show.
Speaker 2
Speaker 1 In no particular order except for Fast five being what we consider the the greatest bad movie. Like our blueprint. Great bad movie.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 1 I have Fast Five, Hitman’s Bodyguard, John Wick two, extraction, Skyfall, and Gray man. Wow. In the pantheon. Yeah, and I think Fast five, Gray Man. And then any of the other movies after it would be fine, but I think it’s in the top ten for me.
Speaker 3 I have a feeling this movie is going to come up at the end of the year, when we do the second annual Golden Helicopter Awards.
Speaker 2 I think so, yeah. All right. Well, guys.
Speaker 3 We did it.
Speaker 1 We had the conversation that needed to be had about the Gray Man. You had four years to talk about this movie. Now just listen to this podcast. We got it.
Speaker 2 We don’t need a 102 plus people to watch this.
Speaker 3 You guys need to log in and just spam Rotten Tomatoes. Yeah, get that up to 94.
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Speaker 1 I think hashtag Lean’s Lloyd should be trending tomorrow or after this episode is released as all I’m thinking. So come on dear listeners, let’s make that happen.
Speaker 2 Absolutely. So.
Speaker 3 Well, listen, this has been great, guys. Thank you, David, for so much for taking the time.
Speaker 1 Absolutely.
Speaker 3 Thank you for being on the West Coast. It wasn’t so late for you.
Speaker 2 Yeah. My pleasure I love it. Thank you guys.
Speaker 1 Thanks for being our super fan. We appreciate you so much.
Speaker 2 So every episode we.
Speaker 3 Can’t wait to have you back. We’ll figure out the perfect moment for David. How are we going to get back?
Speaker 1 Absolutely.
Speaker 3 All right, well, listen, guys, this has been great. Really great. I want to start with the positive here. That’s been really good.
Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 But oh. Oh my gosh. I am just noticing the time right here. I am supposed to put this record on my record player and play it really loud for some reason. Also, I think I might hear gunshots outside, but I’m not sure, so I better go.
Speaker 1 Yeah, no, don’t worry about it. That sounds, that sounds good to me. Anyway, I’ve got to run to you again. Great. Just been great.
Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. So good. Really good. Yeah.
Speaker 1 But, I’m growing a trash stash, and I’ve got to go get some white pants so I can lean Lloyd. So.
Speaker 2 You know. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 You always name Lloyd, but I feel like you could lean. Loiter. Let’s just say that.
Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly. I love it. All right, that’s good. I gotta go, too. I just, shot, in my back with the dart, and I’m starting to get sleepy, so I’m sad out. Okay? Okay. That.
Speaker 1 Drive.
Speaker 3 That works for me, because someone just threw me a gun, but apparently I have to ask for the bullets afterwards.
Speaker 2 What is this?
Speaker 3 I don’t want to use harsh language, but that is pure poppycock.
Speaker 1 Pure poppycock. So I got to go and listen. I’ve got to go to. I’ve got to go to my gun throwing class. So apparently you should have gone to talk to someone who had gone to that class before they threw your gun.
Speaker 2 Okay, great. Great. That’s great. That’s great. That’s good. Because, I’m just I’m the last one on the airplane, and everyone just jumped off, and I got to go catch the last guy who had the last parachute, so I’m jumping out to catch him, Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah.
Speaker 3 You know what we never talked about after 18 hours of this conversation is that this movie was all about a disc. It was basically a knock list kind of scenario.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 3 And did you ever notice that it was a dead disc and there was like a whole encryption thing? Okay. Yeah, I just bring that up randomly, but. Oh my gosh, I just realized that I’ve made a massive mistake, and I just tried to make a copy of a dead disc, and now it’s encrypting the encryption.
Speaker 2 And you just can’t.
Speaker 3 I can’t sit here and just let that happen. So I gotta go.
Speaker 1 Yeah. Is that a thing? Encrypting an encryption? But anyway, I got to run to I’ve got to go to part two of my gun throwing class, throwing ammo so.
Speaker 2 I might, That’s so great, because, I just am running with an empty gun, and I gotta go find some ammo so we can meet up.
Speaker 1 Yeah. Perfect. I’ll try something. Yeah.
Speaker 3 Okay. That works for me, because, you know, as you guys know, I run a drone business, and all of my drones.
Speaker 2 Are.
Speaker 3 Missing, right now. I feel like the Russo brothers might.
Speaker 2 Have.
Speaker 3 Maybe grabbed them while they were here, so I better go. I gotta see what’s going on.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. That’s good. I just got stabbed by an amateur. Yeah, he missed the liver and the spleen. This.
Speaker 2 So that’s good.
Speaker 2 That’s awesome.
Speaker 3 Listen, guys, I really want to stay here, but there’s somebody here offering me watermelon bubblicious. And that trumps this every day of the week. I got to go have some watermelon. Bubblicious. Obviously.
Speaker 1 Yeah, that that track that tracks. I got to drive from Prague to Croatia. It won’t take that long, you know, I know the map. MapQuest says it’s going to take like eight hours, but I’ll be there in like 45 minutes or so.
Speaker 3 MapQuest.
Speaker 1 MapQuest? That’s right. Bring it back.
Speaker 3 Did you go to altavista.com to search for MapQuest?
Speaker 2 Exactly. That’s great. Well, that’s okay because I got to go and I’ve been wearing that my Michael Jackson tracksuit for three days and I gotta go change. I make that okay.
Speaker 3 That works for me because I, I’ve got this meeting at this office where I’m going to get digitally de-aged. So I better.
Speaker 2 Go.
Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, you know that tracks that track. So I’ve got a reunion with all the people I went to Harvard with. So, I’ll be back soon.
Speaker 2 That’s great. Well, I just pulled this pin from my grenade, and so I gotta jump out the window, so I’ll be out of here. All Z, you douche.
Speaker 3 All right, well, guys, that works for me, so I will see you soon.
Speaker 1 I’ll see you soon.